Justme

Midweek day trips are the best, nice pics. sure makes me want to get out there and ride. Cant complain been there the last two Sat. in a row. Peace to all of you, Roy.

Hey , Just thought I would chime in although this place is not what your looking for because its street legal toys only. but anyway I went out to Ibex ghost town located on the west side of 127, pretty cool place if you like old mines,buildings and beautiful scenery. let me know if you want more info or just google it. personally I found it with google Earth. I went there Jan 2nd 2010, cool place to explore, road access 4wd good clearance required, Six miles from 127 once you hit the dirt. Road well traveled I passed rangers on the way out but never saw anyone at the ghost town, not even a ghost. but lots of cool artifacts dating from 1800s to 1960

This was a very interesting thread, to bad it did'nt go farther. Peace

It holds true for any valve,including propane tank valves, they do seat at both ends. actually sometimes better than if only partly opened but there is something wrong if it does'nt seal at any point in its radius. I know a few professional welders and not one of them turns the acetalyne to open stop. No one wants to be standing in fire while trying to stop the flow. when one turn will put out the fire, if that is the case. Best Regards, Roy

Under normal operating conditions it is not possible for the flame to return to the tank, Regardless of valve postion, that is part of the regulators job. although theoretically anything is possible. The practice of turning the valve one turn comes from Industry and the reason being is if you have to turn off the supply in a emergency it is only one turn to get it done. The farther you turn the valve on makes no difference in pressure, the regulators control pressure. It is a good practice your using, If you ever have to turn off your gas supply quickly again it is only one turn to get it done. keep doing it that way, but I would'nt worry about this back flame thing as long as your equipment is in good working order. Best Regards, Roy

In response to your question, Why steel and not aluminum. probably cost of aluminum versus steel and durability, steel harder, aluminum softer. These propane tanks can see alot of banging around, more so in industrial use. As far as your compressor tank , They rust from the inside. Thats why it is very improtant to drain the water out often. That is one of the hidden dangers of compressor tanks especialy those in peoples garages, Where they may not be maintained properly, I use pressure vessels daily in my work They must be inspected and certified yearly by CAL OSHA and MSHA. ( Mining saftey and health administration ). And if not maintained properly can be lethal. I've seen the results of a vessel failure under pressure it aint pretty. Hence why they(people that fill your tanks) are required to check the exp. date on the tank But again most dont. kinda scary if you ask me. Propane tanks only rust form the outside, Never the inside and thats only if you dont keep them in good shape and painted. The paint is not there for looks it is the barrier between the air and the steel, We've all seen how fast unpainted steel rusts. After maybe years of service and if left to rust, steel gets thinner and if you sand and scrape what is it you think your removing, The Steel thickness. They only last so long people, bite the bullet and replace old tanks or get them properly inspected and recertified Sorry about the hijack of the thread, but when I read what that propane person told you I was floored to say the least. People really dont know all the dangers associated with pressure vessels and i just had to speak up. They really can be deadly !!!!! Best Regards, Roy

WOW I just cant believe this!!! Believe it or not there is a very good reason for the recertification of pressure vessels, like propane tanks and compresser tanks etc. THEY BECOME SHRAPPNEL FLINGING BOMBS IF THEY FAIL UNDER PRESSURE!!!!! and cause fires that kill when they dont contain the product due to old valves and rusted steel. HELLO!! The rust is a sign of the tank rotting away, So just sand it down and paint. Yea right, I hope me and my family are not near your tanks when they fail and explode or start a fire. For people to suggest that all you have to do is sand and repaint a tank and your good to go. is stupid and very dangerous, oh and the stickers dont contain the exp. date, the date is stamped directly in the tank, and the people responsible for filling tanks are suppose to check this date before filling, but not very many do. This so called propane guy is a dumba$$ for telling you to do this to have a tank refilled if it is out of date. It is rather simple to have a tank inspected and recertified if it is worthy of recertification. People should be held responsible for giving bad and dangerous advice, but they are not, and people trust them.

Maybe I'm missing something but whats the difference between these parents letting this 10 yr old drive the Lt car, and all these other parents i see letting their kids ride quads that they are clearly way to young to be riding. It is only when someone gets hurt that we seem to speak up. and yet somebody said they watched these kids driving this Lt all day long. Would'nt it be better to speak up before someone gets hurt instead of after and then complain here about pareting skills or hope for a big law suit for the injured people, why not find a ranger and point out the unsafe practices of people and try to prevent these things from happening. thats what I do, It is all of our responsibility to be proactive about saftey. or do you just look the other way until something tragic happens. Oh I know, you dont want to get involved in other peoples business, Aleast not until something bad happens then everybody has an opinion. I completly agree no one that young should be behind the wheel of an Lt car. or on a quad that is beyond their ability to handle in a tight situation. or riding without a helmet or riding two people or all the other stupid things people do. but if you do nothing but watch instead of act this is what will happen. Anyone of us runs the risk of colliding with a Lt in the dunes, Especially if your inexperienced. or just not mature enough to handle the situation. Justme and my two cents.