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#36 ynot

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 02:44 PM

Terry, I hope to Gawd that you don't quit !  At least you have an opportunity to talk to her directly in the meetings and attempt to bring her back into reality and away from the "Book" that tells her every decision to make. In time, things just might change for the better.

In todays governmental agency structure there is room for improvement and a change at the "Top" is eminent. It may be time to start contacting our representatives that may interested in starting to protect our rights and investigate sub par management in their respective responsibilities.

Hang in there Bud we need your help!

It's like talking to a wall Pat. We tell her the issues, She gives us assurances and then does exactly whast she wants and justifies it by being in the guidlines? I would like to see this know all see all book! I am quickly running out of patience and I don't think there will be a clean up this year. There lack of support is putting the doom on it.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 07:16 PM

I did see BLM speeding down vendor row every time they traveled down it, except when they were inspecting the vehicles parked. This KILLS vendor row even more. With the limited vendors, and less then ever willing to go out vendor row may die all together. They NEVER watered Vendor row this time.

 

I get checking vehicles on vendor row is easy, but it really makes people not want to go there.

 

 

 

I am willing to try for the Subgroup, but I just don't have the experience of many of the duners and especially Terry. As a business owner, and duner I would be happy to represent us.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 09:45 PM

I arrived Monday and left on Thursday and I will say at least Monday and Tuesday the Rangers to Duners numbers seemed extremely high.  I drove into an empty Vendor Row Monday doing everything legal and had a Ranger make contact with me for registration.  My decal is very visible and in my opinion he was just making contact.  After I pointed out my decal out.. he and I went on our way.  I really didn't have a problem with it until a vendor wanted to know what the Ranger wanted...come to find out GTP was not the only Vendor concerned about what the Rangers were doing.  We then watched the only other traffic that entered Vendor Row being pulled over by the Ranger.  Not a big deal to me but can understand being a vendor.  My crew never did go back to Vendor Row this week.


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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:01 PM

So, vendors pay the BLM to vend correct? If the LEOs are harassing people on vendor row, it seems to me that harassment would keep people from going to vendor row and making it worth the vendors time and money to be there! Yet, the BLM needs as much money as possible to continue to operate at Dumont? I understand having a LEO present on vendor row to keep things orderly (not that that seems to be an issue), but maybe the BLM might read this post and see the logic associated with it. Why would you be chasing away your income?

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:25 PM

LEO presents, to me, is welcome and needed on vendor row. Vendor row is a high traffic area where people walk and ride. I have seen plenty of riders that could be talked to about their habits on vendor row. Not to mention there is a lot of money sitting on vendor row from Items for sale, to vehicles and the LEO presents should help deter some of the thieves.

 

This last weekend was pretty much a bust for us. The good part for us is we meet people everyday we are out there and that will help us in the future.


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Posted 04 January 2014 - 09:40 AM

I have read all this several times, and lord knows we all spend a ton of money on this fun habit. it seems these city slickers don't have a clue to what this sport costs. im totally ok with the fees as long as there put to good use. the reason I don't go to glamis is because of these badge toteing yahoos. this is our public land and without us they don't have a job. I say we hit them up in force at this years sand sport show, (they have a booth down there) and see whats up their a$$. this all started with diane Feinstein, she chased away all the desert races because of a tortoise, ive been racing and riding 40 years and never seen a tortoise. ive been going to Dumont since 95 and I have seen the decline in numbers, I thought it was the economy, but now im secong guessing myself. I only give what I get that's my motto, you give me tude you will get it back. when I read that a lot of you don't want to do this anymore it breaks my heart. we have to stand up to them or they will completely strip us of our rights and dignity. god bless America.



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Posted 04 January 2014 - 10:43 AM

It's like talking to a wall Pat. We tell her the issues, She gives us assurances and then does exactly whast she wants and justifies it by being in the guidlines? I would like to see this know all see all book! I am quickly running out of patience and I don't think there will be a clean up this year. There lack of support is putting the doom on it.


OK, time to communicate with the supervisory chain of command. Who is her direct boss? Who is that
persons direct boss and so on. If it's the only way to get the word out then lets do it!
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Posted 04 January 2014 - 11:15 AM

OK, time to communicate with the supervisory chain of command. Who is her direct boss? Who is that
persons direct boss and so on. If it's the only way to get the word out then lets do it!

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 04:01 PM

For any good that it might do here is my submission to the Calif Desert BLM Supervisors.


Can someone please help me to understand all of the recent changes in how Dumont Dunes is being
operated.
I understand there is a new manager in the Barstow office. Is she being directed in a direction that
should lower the usage and increase all of the complaints I am hearing and seeing in the last two
seasons.
It would appear to me that the increase of revenue from users would be a benefit yet changes have been made that discourage that.
all I hear is the way the LEO's are being directed. The total lack of coverage on off weekends and a
heavy hand when they are there.
I just don't understand the direction it is going.
Can some please tell me what is going on and why?
Respectfully,
Pat XXXXXXX Henderson Nevada
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Posted 04 January 2014 - 07:42 PM

For any good that it might do here is my submission to the Calif Desert BLM Supervisors.


Can someone please help me to understand all of the recent changes in how Dumont Dunes is being
operated.
I understand there is a new manager in the Barstow office. Is she being directed in a direction that
should lower the usage and increase all of the complaints I am hearing and seeing in the last two
seasons.
It would appear to me that the increase of revenue from users would be a benefit yet changes have been made that discourage that.
all I hear is the way the LEO's are being directed. The total lack of coverage on off weekends and a
heavy hand when they are there.
I just don't understand the direction it is going.
Can some please tell me what is going on and why?
Respectfully,
Pat XXXXXXX Henderson Nevada

Pat, let me know what if any reply you get. I am highly interested.


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Posted 10 January 2014 - 11:17 AM

LEO presents, to me, is welcome and needed on vendor row. Vendor row is a high traffic area where people walk and ride. I have seen plenty of riders that could be talked to about their habits on vendor row. Not to mention there is a lot of money sitting on vendor row from Items for sale, to vehicles and the LEO presents should help deter some of the thieves.

 

This last weekend was pretty much a bust for us. The good part for us is we meet people everyday we are out there and that will help us in the future.

Adam & the rest of the crew @ GTP 

 

1st Thanks for the great deal on the lights, brackets , and lighted whips was great talking to you guys 

 

I agree that LEO should be on vendors row, they should have an officer just walking up and down to keep an eye on things and protect the vendors that do make it out. 

With a few of the other post on this thread , i would agree , LEO was a bit over the top ( they detained my buddy at the gate for having rolling papers and nothing else, gave him a paraphernalia ticket!!??) 

but at the same time i sure like having them there at when they are needed. I will gladly take the extra time when i am at the gate, or if they stop by our camp, and step out of the way when they are speeding down vendors row For them to be there to do what they do best protect and serve.



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 03:28 PM

a ticket for papers is abuse of powers That will never stand up in court.1 either the blm is trying to make $$$ by unlawful tickets that they hope the defendant will just pay. Or 2 the officer is looking for some easy overtime in court.

total abuse of power



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 03:56 PM

Yup rolling papers is not paraphernalia under California statute.  Hell a weed pipe ain't even paraphernalia under the statute. 



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 10:00 PM

I'm probably in the minority but I feel we reap what we sow. Unfortunately the people who leave the bottles and trash everywhere, party then ride etc. are the ones bringing us increased scrutiny and it sucks they are lumped in with the law abiding person who just wants to enjoy some outdoor recreation. I won't discount over zealous LEO's but people steal firewood from camps along with peoples toys and the like. I don't have a problem with being checked for registration or anything. I feel things have gone on unchecked for to long and the BLM enforcement will bring about needed changes, weeding out the bad elements in the dunes. I do agree they need to clamp down on the camp racers though. If they concentrated their efforts on ticketing those fools they would be flush with cash. It must be too hard to prove so that's why they don't bother.

Edited by desertrider71, 12 January 2014 - 10:20 PM.

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 11:40 PM

a ticket for papers is abuse of powers That will never stand up in court.1 either the blm is trying to make $$$ by unlawful tickets that they hope the defendant will just pay. Or 2 the officer is looking for some easy overtime in court.
total abuse of power


I agree that's what I told him too, for us to make it out is 1266 miles one way. The last thing I want is to get hassled when I get there. They had the dog go through the truck asked if I had cocaine?!?! Cause I guess that's what he uses papers for. But in the 30 years I have been coming to dumont this was a first , but worth it to me in the long run as long as I can still ride lol




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