scott24 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 how is it not the sand rails fault the rail came down a hill at high speed and jumped into a area that is used as parking and the, coming and going Let me preface this by saying I did not/do not know anyone involved in this accident. I did see the events leading up to the impact. There was NO jump involved. A wheelie yes. Speed about 35-45mph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I would agree with that. proceeding on serves no purpose other than to drudge up emotions that should be allowed to heal. Terry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunefreak Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 It will be closed if the arguing and blame game proceeds, however we'll keep it open if it ends because it also serves as a place for people to offer their condolences to the family and friends of Craig. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miss mich Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Stacey, I knew Craig on an acquaintance level, but still knew he was a great guy. Sorry for your loss. I was in shock when I heard it was him. Prayers out to all affected. I have to say, personally knowing someone killed out there puts it all in perspective. It's hard to hear someone dies out there anyways. RIP Craig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rat4020 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Rest in peace felow duner many thoughts and prayers go out to yu: And my condolences go out to his family... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandmandan Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Me, my wife and kids, had just the left side of comp. We had been watching the cars and messing around between the cut and the left side of comp. We didn't even make it to the finger when the rangers went by. Little different timing and we could have been right in the middle of this. Condolences to the family and RIP fellow Duner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmondwn Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Stacey, Family & Friends of Craig, We will never know why this happened at this location or time. Angels are created every day, every minute, and every second. Sometimes they are taken from us by tragic accidents. Pointing blame is not doing anyone justice; leave this to the detectives/police. I was lucky enough to meet Craig a little over a month ago at a house gathering. He accompanied Stacey and we shared many laughs. Craig was very polite, fun, and shared a few laughs with us. I am glad that I took a few moments to ask him how he was doing; we shared stories about riding and our next trip. I don’t recall all the details of our conversation; he definitely loved riding. To be taken from this world by a tragic accident leaves the living heartbroken; but reality is – Craig left this world loving what he enjoyed doing. His last memories are of Mother Nature, friends, and family. In honor of Craig, I think the best thing we all can do is be more cautious. Stacey, It's been hard for me losing my father and a friend (Fellow Duner). Camping brings me a sense of peace; knowing this is something I did with both of them. I know it’s hard for you right now to go to Dumont – But when you are ready; I will be there to take you. We can hop into one of our vehicles and do a day trip. We can sit at comp-hill until you feel a sense of peace or just to cry. I am here for you. Mauh xoxoxoxox 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris&hol Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Our prayers go out to the deceased family and friends. My 3 year old daughter rides in the backseat of my rail and that dosent even give me a excuse to dune safe, i do it out of respect for other duners. RIP Duner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelmetPigtails Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Thanksgiving was our first time ever in the sand and our group was very good at watching for quads or other rails, we would radio each other along the way if whoever was in front came up on anyone. also when we were at comp hill we were constantly on our radios telling each other where other riders were to the person actually going up comp hill. We did this during the Day as well as the night. We did see a lot of people going all over the place on Comp Hill, our friend told us about the right to left pattern before we got there so we knew, but if we had not gone with him we might have not known and been one of those going the wrong way. We did see a lot of near misses, we honestly did not do Comp Hill at night because of the amount of Quads and RZRs on the hill we didn't want to get into any accidents, so we just hung out and watched everyone having fun. Maybe erect some signs about the directions on comp hill, also some warning signs to remind people to watch their speeds??? signs could be places at the north and south poles as well as a reminder. Sorry to hear about the loss and our respects to the family and friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sincity_blondie Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I thought I would give a little update on this. Its been a couple months now, still having a really hard time with this loss. I have been unable to return to the dunes yet. I know I will one day, but definately not on a busy weekend, for now. The CHP did finally finish their report recently and they are recommending the rail driver be charged with vehicular manslaughter without gross negligence. He wont do any hard time, but Im am glad he will be held accountable for his actions. Craig will get some kind of justice for losing his life because of someones wreckless driving......... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDuner Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Thanks for the update Stacey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandawg Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Thanks Stacy. I wonder what gross neglilence is then? Based on that decision I assume that the D.A. will not take it further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sincity_blondie Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Its my understanding he will be charged, at least thats the recommendation of CHP to the DA's office. 1. Penal Code 192© PC Vehicular Manslaughter (Not Involving Drugs or Alcohol) California’s vehicular manslaughter laws punish acts of driving that kill another person because the driver drives in an unlawful way, drives in a lawful but dangerous way, or knowingly causes the accident for financial gain (which can also be prosecuted under California’s automobile insurance fraud laws).2 1.1. Examples Prosecutors are likely to charge you with Penal Code 192© if, for example, you killed another person while you were speeding,3 were texting or talking on your cell phone without the assistance of a hands-free device,4 drove into a crosswalk and killed a pedestrian (for example if you were making a right turn and only looked to your left for oncoming cars, neglecting to see the pedestrians crossing on your right),5 or were staging an accident that resulted in an unintentional death. If there is evidence that you were drinking alcohol or taking drugs…but hadn’t consumed enough to make you legally "under the influence"…this would be a more appropriate charge than Penal Code 191.5(b) PC California’s vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated law. <a name="1.2">1.2. Penalties Penal Code 192© vehicular manslaughter is what’s known as a "wobbler". This means district attorneys have the discretion to charge this crime as either a felony or a misdemeanor. They usually decide this based on the facts of the case, and your criminal history. If convicted of misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter, you face up to one year in a county jail. If convicted of felony vehicular manslaughter, you face anywhere from two to ten years in the state prison.6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandawg Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Great info Stacey, Thank You! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaddysNTattoos Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Love or hate my opinion I could care less. If your in a Sandcar you could jump somewhere in the middle of the dunes, jumping at comp. whatever the time tells me your showing off, I have a nice Sandcar I wouldn't jump the lip at comp. think about it when your on a quad the first thing you do at comp is park at the lip or around it. Somebody's little boy or girl is enjoying their life riding their atv and you take the risk at other people's exspense to do something stupid to make your insecure personality confirmed to yourself and the world. Retarded. I do like big weekends but I'm thinking of off weekends because of the less percentage of douchebags in the dunes at one time. I didn't know the driver or Craig but I will say I feel for both sides of the issue but it isn't right , this accident could have been prevented if they were in the middle of the dunes with spotters, not a high traffic area like comp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwtdiesel Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Holy smokes what a crazy day that must have been. I have lots to add and I have my opinion but ill keep it to myself. RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FE135 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Well since this came back up I decided to contact Craig's sister for an update. To my surprise, the guy that killed him has a warrant out for his arrest but no one has picked him up. Perhaps budgets or low hanging fruit in the police eyes but this guy is out there. He could even still be going to Dumont. So in the event you see him, call the sheriff. They should be out there on the big weekends. His warrant is for vehicular manslaughter. I'll post his info but do not recommend or endorse any contact or harassment. You could get in trouble. But if you see him, I'm sure the police would arrest him. His sister is pissed off about him roaming free. She wrote this to me (printed with permission): "Hi Neal, last time I checked, which was last month, a warrant was out for his arrest still and he had not been picked up. I called asking why don't they go pick him up at his business or home and they said they do warrant busts every once in a while, which is absolutely ridiculous. The thought of that guy out at Dumont again and the anniversary of Craig's death right around the corner is just tearing me up and just makes me so sick. I hope he feels bad enough to never go out there again, but I doubt that's the case. I'll let you know when I hear something more. I can't sit around much longer and wait for them to pick him up. I've been having such a hard time dealing with my brothers death that's it's almost unbearably to think about. But I'm going to have to do something soon and make a trip and hopefully they will pick him up if I'm there." I told her there would be hundreds of eyes looking if I posted this info up. Again, I really don't recommend having any contact with this guy. I'm just posting open publicly available content. Warrant Link for San Bernardino case number FBA1300223: http://openaccess.sb-court.org/CRIMINAL/minute.asp?courtcode=X&casenumber=FBA1300223&defnbr=3997835&defseq=1&otnmseq=0&dsn=&actioncode=HEXAW&actiondate=20130409&actiontime=10.56 His Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bob.smith.313924 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDuner Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAND~~SNAKE Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I'm STUPID like that ....Just so I have a CLEAR under standing....This is the guy peeps need to be looking for? Does anyone have a picture of his rail to post up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FE135 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I didn't get a shot of his rail that's usable, I mean other than when the accident happened and that shows nothing useful. Maybe someone has a good one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAND~~SNAKE Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 To anyone with a picture of this guys rail....PM IT TO ME I WILL POST IT WHAT EVER YOU HAVE! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FE135 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Well I found this. Not that good. I cropped it from the top of a shot I took when all the cops were there. I wasn't focused on the rail. Might jog a memory for someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sincity_blondie Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 This makes me sick to my stomach. I just dont understand knowing there is a warrant out for his arrest since April, he is able to go about his life like nothing happened. I still struggle with this loss just about everyday. I went back to Dumont for the first time Oct 5th to grieve and make some kind of peace with this. As much as can be anyways. It was very hard and emotional. I loved Craig dearly. So im curious, if he has a warrant out for his arrest, could someone technically make a citizens arrest? I want this guy to be held accountable for his actions. Looking at posts on his FB he has just gone on with his life after Craig lost his. Reading this tonight has really shocked me and opened the wound up all over again. PLEASE CALI PEOPLE HELP BRING THIS GUY TO JUSTICE. It certainly doesnt look like the cops are going to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwtdiesel Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Wow pretty sh*tty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FE135 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Good news, many calls were made to Merced PD and they arrested him! Justice may be slow but has its sweet spots. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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