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Sand Cars w/ S4 LS1 Set up is 2550lbs and have no problems duning, jumping, and running the whoops (sand or hard pack). Let me know if you want to get some prices together or a ride in one! Talk to you soon.

1.75 tubing probably costs $1000 more, spindles I don't know, grade 12 bolt don't matter, CNC turn brake costs no more that jamar and isn't any better, hanging brakes are how much more?, Howe power steering over charlynn is probably $1000 more, you run 934 micros and I think the midboards he has are more expensive, they have skid plate too, 5 buckets cost $250 more, he has crow harnesses as well, fuel tank is $500 more, paddles are maybe $200 more, 4 piston brakes are $300 more and engine is $800 more.

For a grand total of $4000............

Now he has Bypass shocks all four corners another $500, front beadlocks $200, they have wing trunk $500, full floor tunnels and roof $600, midboard hubs $1000 more, chrome front suspension, and candy powder upgrade $1000 for a total of $3800 more.

So you have $200 more in parts and are $11,500 more................I guess the deal would be swings towards them......Just my opinion though.

How do you achieve 24" of travel with microstubs, is your car super wide in the rear? How much ground clearance at full bottom?

I remembered I forgot to reply to this! I am glad you asked this question. The car has 24 in the front and 18 in the rear, and 5 inches of ground clearance at full bump. The only way to achieve close to 23 in the rear is to set up the car with zero ground clearance or run a midboard with a longer axle or have a really wide car in the back. Anyways, thats all about that.

I am glad we came to the same conclusion about not comparing the same car So prices cant be compared either! See you in the dunes where I am positive you would be surprised at how well our cars can hang with the light weight cars

1.75 tubing probably costs $1000 more, spindles I don't know, grade 12 bolt don't matter, CNC turn brake costs no more that jamar and isn't any better, hanging brakes are how much more?, Howe power steering over charlynn is probably $1000 more, you run 934 micros and I think the midboards he has are more expensive, they have skid plate too, 5 buckets cost $250 more, he has crow harnesses as well, fuel tank is $500 more, paddles are maybe $200 more, 4 piston brakes are $300 more and engine is $800 more.

For a grand total of $4000............

Now he has Bypass shocks all four corners another $500, front beadlocks $200, they have wing trunk $500, full floor tunnels and roof $600, midboard hubs $1000 more, chrome front suspension, and candy powder upgrade $1000 for a total of $3800 more.

So you have $200 more in parts and are $11,500 more................I guess the deal would be swings towards them......Just my opinion though.

How do you achieve 24" of travel with microstubs, is your car super wide in the rear? How much ground clearance at full bottom?

Well here it is, and the last thing I wanted to do was get into a pissing match on this subject. I apologize for the delay...

Tubing is $1000 more, brakes are $750.00 more (depending on the brand), Grade 12 bolts do matter so your s$$t doesnt brake, CNC is better (but just an opinion because time matters and costs money when you have to replace Jamar), never priced the difference in hanging pedals-but maybe a couple hundred and a lot more comfortable to drive, Howe is about 1200.00 more, and you THINK the midboards are more expensive, but do you know (did you consider the cost difference in 934 CV's w/ 300m cages), are there front and rear skid plates on theirs? Are they 1/8 in, 1/4 in, or 3/16 in (this costs money), a fifth seat is 250 more, what type of crow belts does he use?, fuel cell w/ internal bladder is probably 1200 more (but dont know what he uses), you are probably right about the paddles, and the engine is 1000.00 more (with the howe power steering pump), and again alot more comfortable to drive!

Now for his car, how can you say that bypasses are more, you dont know what we charge for ours? Front beadlocks can range but would be 300.00 with us, you are right on the aluminum stuff, delete the midboard upgrade, and when did candy colors become an upgrade? They arent with us... And the chrome, (not sure of the price difference)

So in the end, you can add up this misc B.S., but you have to realize that there are a lot of things that are not mentioned in base packages (i.e custom radiator mounts, billet mounting brackets, custom shifter knobs, the extensive wiring job that we do, types of rod ends used, cv stars that get machined, boot flanges that get machined, spindles that are heat treated, amount of tubing used which leads to more weld time, the type of steering column set up, what type of u-joints, labor hours in the full build process (this adds up quickly), the fact that all tubing is NC mandrel bent and CNC notched is almost priceless, the customer support and service is exceptional (ask any of my customers) etc, etc. As I have said, its not that they build a bad car, its that we feel different components are necessary so that you dont have the problems down the road. But if your looking for just a sand car, then this isnt the type of car you need. Its much more than just a sand car, and would suggest looking at the two cars more extensively side by side. I did at the show, and I now know this post is meaningless. But who am I

Again I apologize for the delay and thanks to everyone who posted for me in the meantime! Now I have to get ready for a customer appreciation weekend! See you in the dunes.

1.75 tubing probably costs $1000 more, spindles I don't know, grade 12 bolt don't matter, CNC turn brake costs no more that jamar and isn't any better, hanging brakes are how much more?, Howe power steering over charlynn is probably $1000 more, you run 934 micros and I think the midboards he has are more expensive, they have skid plate too, 5 buckets cost $250 more, he has crow harnesses as well, fuel tank is $500 more, paddles are maybe $200 more, 4 piston brakes are $300 more and engine is $800 more.

For a grand total of $4000............

Now he has Bypass shocks all four corners another $500, front beadlocks $200, they have wing trunk $500, full floor tunnels and roof $600, midboard hubs $1000 more, chrome front suspension, and candy powder upgrade $1000 for a total of $3800 more.

So you have $200 more in parts and are $11,500 more................I guess the deal would be swings towards them......Just my opinion though.

How do you achieve 24" of travel with microstubs, is your car super wide in the rear? How much ground clearance at full bottom?

I will be responding to this...just have a lot of stuff going on right now with the show! Check back Monday! I know how you guys are if someone doesnt respond

Very interesting topic.......... Here is a list of stuff Sandwinder does for $48,000. Can you explain the stuff on your cars that are better so it will add up to $65,000. That would $17,000 worth of "better components". Just to give us an idea of what you are talking about.

LTX Pro 4/5 Seat LS1 Loaded Package........$48,500

completely assembled and turnkey ready

Includes:

4130 Chassis

All suspension arms 4130

Chrome plated front suspension

All suspension hardware

Grade 8 nut and bolt set

Complete steering assembly

Combo spindles

Side panels – powder coated

Powder coating chassis and suspension

Hurst style shifter with shift rod

Optima battery

K-four switches

Auto meter gauges and tach

Floor console

CNC Pedal assembly

CNC throttle pedal with side rest

Center Jamar dual handle billet turn brake

Grant 771 leather steering wheel

Gear One Billet rack and pinion

Gear One Billet steering bearing

Gear One 930 Mid Board hub set with four piston brakes

Race prepped cus with 300m cages

Full coverage cv boots

300m axles

Aluminum floors

Aluminum skid plate

Renegade or beard suspension seats

Crow harnesses

King 2”x10”, 2.5”x14” coil over shocks with piggy reservoirs

IMI hi tork starter

Custom wiring harness and relays

Ron Davis custom Radiator with Spal fans

Aluminum fuel tank

Morse throttle cable and hardware

A.N. braided cooling lines and fittings

A.N. braided fuel lines and fittings

Stainless brake line

Four Hella freeform headlights

Two tail lights

Douglas .190 wheels 15x12, 15x4

Douglas Billet beadlocks front and rear

Extreme 14.50 paddle tires

8.50 S.T.U. razors

Full floor tunnels

Wing trunk

Floor coating

Hood and dash

Aluminum roof

Power steering

2 piston front brakes

Front brakes lines

Mendeola 2D transaxle

Billet three panel mirror

Turnkey engine supply 390 H.P. LS1

Kandy powder coating upgrade

King 2x10 2 tube front bypass shocks

King 2.5x16 3 tube rear bypass shocks

All fluids

First off we need to make sure we are comparing the same packages: Our base package is $59,999 and the $65,000 number was used earlier in the post, so I went with it and it would allow someone to have a few more options on top of the base package! Now to compare with the above list to justify to you the additional $11,500.

1.75" Tubing

2" Hollow Spindles w/ Kar Tek Hubs

GRADE 12 Suspension Hardware and Grade 8 on everything else

CNC Cutting Brake

CNC HANGING Pedal Assy w/ 3 EZ Fill Tall Masters

HOWE 2.5 Power Rack and Pinion w/ Control Valve

Howe Power Steering Pump

934 Kar Tek Hubs

934 CV's and Axles w/ 300M Cages

Front and FULL Rear (Covers motor and Trans) Skid Plates

5 Bucket Seats

CROW 3X3 5 Point Harnesses

Fuel Safe Fuel Cell w/ Internal Bladder (not just foam baffle)

STU SB 33 Paddles

4 Piston Front Brakes

410 HP Turnkey Engine

All of these things listed are what would be an upgrade off their list to match ours. There are some things that are included with their package that we dont in ours, but we feel that the above components are more important than having chrome a-arms and a wing trunk. I am not saying that their cars or package that they offer is a bad one, just our opinion of what should be included with a desert/sand car.

This sounds funny. Like a 4 seater is cheaper than a 5 seater. Why can't you put a bench in the 4 seater and make it a 5 seater. Maybe you should say you have a different package coming out for $50,000.

The four seater will be more of a sandcar. We could do what all the other manufacturers do and try to call it a five seater, but that's why we have five bucket seats in the other car. It seats five adults comfortably, not 2 adults and three kids. So the four seater will seat four adults comfortably, and be offered with less components and options than our five seater, therefore making it more affordable but not sacrificing the strength factor in the sand.

Better deal, meant getting basically the same car for a better price. Not just cheaper!

I would have to disagree here, but only if you are talking about new cars. All components cost the same, so the manufacturers that are selling cars cheaper, have cheaper or even less components on them-by the way I am not saying this is a bad thing for the sand guys. So in the end, it is not the same car.

i'd like to hear more about this 4 seater.

Do you guys offer financing aswell?

We also do financing. We are still working out the final details of the four seater, but should be available around the end of October. E mail me at justin@trickracingproducts.com with some contact info, and I will send you over some stuff when the detail are finished!

So it's $9500 for a frame and front and rear arms?????????

Its an 1.75 Car to start with along with the arms are 1.75. It also comes with tie rods, spindles (heat treated), hardware, rod ends w/ over 250 ft of lineal tubing. STRONG! Everything is NC Mandrel Bent and then CNC Notched for precise measurements. Your getting the best of the best.

Right on :headbang: thanks for the info..I'll check them out

Heres a quote for you!

Inv00000343.pdf

ROLLING_CHASSIS_PACKAGE.doc

Still waiting for the deposit! We can make you a better deal on two! :headbang:

Sweet I'll take two!!!!

Better deals arent always a good thing...We've all learned that lesson in life!

65,000 is wayyyyyyyyyyy to much Steveo. These are badass cars, But you can find a much better deal on one. Lead dog sold his for 43k obo and it even had purple on it.

We have a new four seater coming out that should be in that price range!

what can you build for $50,000???

I left some room in there for some of the options he may have been looking for!

Steveo, here's your answer + $9,999.00. I think cars look sick.

LS1-2D TURNKEY SAND PACKAGE

24” TRAVEL/ TRUE 5 SEATER

$59,999.00

TURNKEY LS1 410 HORSEPOWER 5.7 LITER ENGINE

MENDEOLA MD4S-2D TRANSMISSION

1.75” 4130 NC MANDREL BENT/CNC NOTCHED CHROMOLLY FRAME

1.75” CHROMOLLY FRONT A-ARMS W/ 7/8 ROD ENDS AND 1” UNIBALLS

1.0” CHROMOLLY TIE RODS W/ ¾ ROD ENDS

2” HOLLOW HEAT TREATED SPINDLES

1.75” CHROMOLLY TRAILING ARMS W/ 7/8 ROD ENDS

12” FRONT TRICK RACING COIL OVER SHOCKS

12” FRONT TRICK RACING NON COIL OVER SHOCKS

14” REAR TRICK RACING COIL OVER SHOCKS

16” REAR TRICK RACING NON COIL OVER SHOCKS

HOWE 2.5 POWER RACK AND PINION W/ CONTROL VALVE

HOWE POWER STEERING PUMP

KAR TEK 934 REAR MICROSTUB ASSEMBLY

KAR TEK REAR DISC BRAKES 4 PISTON

KAR TEK FRONT DISC BRAKES 4 PISTON

5 PRP HIGH BACK SUSPENSION SEATS

2 ADJUSTABLE SEAT SLIDERS

5 POINT 3X3 CROW HARNESSES

RON DAVIS RADIATOR W/ 14” SPAL FANS

JAMAR SHIFTER AND SHIFT LINKAGE

ALUMINUM SIDE PANELS

ALUMINUM FLOOR PAN

FRONT AND REAR SKID PLATES

15” STEERING WHEEL

QUICK RELEASE HUB ADAPTER

AUTO METER WATER TEMP GAUGE

AUTO METER OIL PRESSURE GAUGE

AUTO METER VOLT METER GAUGE

4 TOGGLE SWITCHES

IGNITION SWITCH

ALL RADIATOR HOSES AND FITTINGS

POWER STEERING LINES AND FITTINGS

THROTTLE CABLE AND HOOK CLAMPS

BRAKE LINES AND FITTINGS

ALUMINUM DASH

COMPLETE WIRING ASSEMBLY

CNC SLAVE CYLINDER

HI TORQUE STARTER

POWER STEERING RESEVOIR TANK W/ ALUMINUM MOUNT

RADIATOR RECOVERY CAN W/ ALUMINUM MOUNT

TOTAL POWER AIRCRAFT BATTERY

2 LASERSTAR LIGHTS

2 EAGLE OVAL SUPER WHITE LIGHTS

2 LED TAIL LIGHTS

SINGLE STAGE POWDER COAT

ALL DZUS BUTTONS AND HARDWARE

22 GALLON FUEL SAFE CELL W/ INTERNAL BLADDER

934 POLISHED CV’S, BOOTS, CAGES, AND FLANGES

300M AXLES

BILLET REARVIEW MIRROR

FRONT PASSENGER GRAB BAR

REAR PASSENGER GRAB BAR

CNC CUTTING BRAKE

FRONT DOUGLAS STAR 15 X 5 PLOISHED WHEELS

FRONT XTREME APEX 8.80 SAND TIRE

REAR DOUGLAS BEADLOCK STAR 15 X 12 WHEELS

SAND BLASTER 33 PADDLE TIRES

2- 24” LIMIT STRAPS

2- RACE ADJUSTABLE CLEVACES

RADIATOR MOUNTING ASSEMBLY

ALL MOTOR AND TRANSMISSION MOUNTS

ALL NECESSARY HARDWARE

COMPLETELY ASSEMBLED

We'll build you a brand new one for $65,000 and you can have it by Thankgiving!

Justin

Trick Racing Products

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