hmmm. maybe im not good enough to hang with you guys? lol I HATE RAZOR BACKS!! thats one reason i prefer dumont to amargosa. im a big a$$ chicken when it comes to them. my son is 13, so ill bring him along. i got him a quad christmas before last, and we have been riding a hand full of times. he does pretty good. he thinks his bike doesnt have enough power though. granted he does only ride a 250. its all good though. thats all a newbie needs for now!! look forward to meeting all of you!!