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6:30 am Sun is coming up 54.2 degrees breeze just picked up, 1.7 MPH what a way to start a morning sitting by the early morning fire drinking a little coffee/Mtn Dew. listening to generators starting up, bikes already hitting the dunes, great breakfast smells in the air, life is pretty nice right now.

How would you have them enforce it Bruce? Drive through your camp and cite you for a can that fell out of a garbage can or a piece of paper that is lying under a rock. The problem is that the trash is not evident on the flats till the group leaves, then it's ususlly to late. Comp Hill trash is another issue alltogether. Their are not enough LEO's to walk through or stop at a camp and tell them to pick up their trash because until they leave it is not garbage and again it's to late. Also I can just imigine the problems with the cops coming through and hasselling people right and left to pick up after themselves, there aren't enough of them to defend themselves if it was to get ugly in a crowd that large. If you have never experienced a riot or near riot consider yourself to be very lucky. It is terrifying, you have no control and if they are after you in uniform it could get ugly real fast. i can just imigine the press on the use deadly force if they were being overwhelmed. This is an education issue, there is no other way to get it taken care of without making it a bigger issue then it already is and or could become. I appreciate your support and assistance in picking up out there. Most of us do so it is unfortunate that this discussion really only is about a small minority. Terry

The way you worded that makes it seem that only us Mexicans litter (I'm one of the responsible ones). Don't let every other litterer off the hook because you didn't see them do it. Not trying to start a battle or anything, because you're not the only one who thinks that way and there's probably a reason for it. BUT, when you say stuff like that, it takes the focus off the real issue. It might even make you look at people with a preconception of "pig" by their ethnicity. I think you have every bit of a valid argument without making it about race. The only "us" and "them" in this case are litterers and non-litterers.

the people you speak of also trash apex over in vegas too....sucks. hate to pinpoint anyone since i'm sure more than they do it...but the majority of the time, the people you speak of are the ones doing most of it. wonder what else could be done to bring awareness? i haven't really noticed but are there signs with fine $$$ written out large enough for people to see?

BLM getting ready for the holiday week