in that case they range from basically 5 grand for a runaround vw powered limited suspension to well over 100 grand for a t*ts lt rail with an ls motor the subies make good hp and are a little better on gas mileage it all becomes a personal preference but a descent mid level lt car runs about 45k of course there will be some people that may disagree with this but it is just my opinion after researching and buying mine and if you play your cards right someone on here might just give you that ride you want