Foxysandchick

HUH aren't you usually at Pete and camp LOL (damn we need a smoking BBQ with a keyfob hanging out of smiley)

I was thinking the same thing

Nope....stop by there to hang out for awhile just like to all the other camps. We have our small quiet circle out in the middle of nowhere, where we can go to sleep at midnight and sleep undisturbed all night and get up early and actually ride all day. It is pretty awesome . It's nice to be able to stop in to visit the crazy camps and be able to leave whenever you want!

We aren't that bad... Despite what they say... Acually you might want to stay away cause you might all just have a good time and enjoy us!!!!!!

Thanks, but I doubt it I actually don't really drink and I go to the dunes to and :hug: with my friends, not to and , maybe I am just . I don't mind stopping by and and taking some though!!

Yeah it was a nice little suprise when I opened them up and saw all the crap inside. But they are looking better and I just got done paiting the rears and priming the front. I will look for a better set later and have them PC'd. I just wanted it to look a little better for the regatta.

I'll be painting mine at some point when I decide what plastics and color theme I want, going to be a summer project. I'm going to keep it inexpensive though, cause it is only a camp toy .

I just don't understand the why...so I'll stick to the quiet little camp without drinking games, I'll stop by to take some embarrassing pics of ya'll and get a laugh or 2.

OK good, good getting closer. Where is Lost Creek Trail?

http://www.sunsetcities.com/Red-Rock-Canyon/lostcreek00.html

http://www.birdandhike.com/Hike/Red_Rocks/..._L/_Lost_Cr.htm

Thats part of what I'd like to find out is about the security systems,by the time the security guys finally get to your house it'll more than likely already been ransacked the thieves have already been in and out the system doesn't alert the cops. It would be great if someone broke a window or broke the door down and some god awful train horns went off and woke the whole neighborhood up.

Our alarm has a speaker mounted outside and if it goes off it does wake up the entire neighborhood and the neighbors do come running and they are also armed . We are friendly with most of the neighbors and we all look out for eachother, but it is a quiet low crime neighborhood.

And where are you all day? I got you a job fool so bow down and pay respect lol Besides you better just make the day trip and bring your new little toy.

Well took the carb apart for the 3rd time and cleaned it all again, also found that the pilot get was clogged. I had another one in my rebuild kit but it is a threaded one and the original was a press in. I did a little redneck engineering and made it work. Took it down the street and it ran like S&@T, reached down and turned the choke off and it actually ran and ran GREAT with the choke off. Thanks for all those that helped, it is greatly appreciated (accept for Kristin).

Oh also got a new pair of shoes for the old girl

:mog: :mog:

All day? I'm sleeping of course...all night I'm working & on DDR

and just for you my friend

I'm thinking I'll head out for the day when I get off work :atc:

So anyway...glad you got your :mog: running and some new shoes..leave the old ones on and go for the ugliest 70

Here is the horseback riding info...

http://www.cowboytrailrides.com/

http://www.sagebrush-ranch.com/

http://www.rockytrails.com/

http://www.bonniesprings.com/

Most fronts, that’s all you can adjust is the spring load. If they have resi fronts, you can also do compression and maybe rebound.

The issue with the 700 Pete is that it’s made for a bigger (in Weight) rider then Chad is - He just doesn’t have the weight that the valving/spring is set for. It’s more set to the 200-250 pound rider, and he doesn’t seem like he weighs that much - So no matter how much he is able to adjust ride height with the spring, the valving/spring is still stiff. It probably feels like a couch to you because you weigh more and you fall in the intended range. (*Disclaimer)

FSC probably has the same issues - I just have never looked at the zuki - My bike sucks, but it’s what I have (Right Pauly)

*Disclaimer - Chris1234567890 does not size the participants of this list up, I was just looking at a pic with the two said participants in it together and they have very different physics<sp?>....

I have resi fronts, preload and compression settings, both have been adjusted . Yes I am far from the weight that they are sprung for.

K. I see - I have to drive over the wheel well, but mine does fit in between the bed sides...

I also have the 5ft bed, so my wells go all the way to the front of the bed. I've gotten use to the stability and if I can get 4 inches with different tires I'll just do that.

Thanks

am I being a tard?

aren't you always? you are a computer nerd, can't expect you to be a mechanic also!

Thanks, I understand the rebuilding now I didn't know rebuilding included valving and springs. I will call up TCS and try them out to save some $$, anything will be a significant improvement than what I have .

I have a Toyota Tacoma, it barely fits as it is, the bed width between wheel wells is 42in and the quad is actually 44in across the front tires(21x7x10), but it compresses the suspension to fit and barely squeezes in. I was going to try swapping front tires from our other z400, but it's sitting at 48in (22x8x10) so I don't think I can fit that one either. This is the 1st time I have measured across both bikes, 4in difference, no wonder his turns better and is less tippy! I'm assuming the extended arms add another 2 inches? I'll have to try fitting the 2nd z400 and see if it squeezes enough.

I couldn't find the specs on the Ranger bed dimensions or I'd have checked the difference myself.

Thanks again, I really appreciate your help!

dunefreak

duniemonkie

DPPETE(warrior07)

Cole & Dave

Mineurbiz (should be 3 more)

wsky70 and dunejumper

jorge plus one

tkriley & his boy

Rushjunkie (eddy) +1

Randog

crusty

LouB

Grimdog (Grimace)

OGP

3rotortrav + maybe more

HappyHour + Family

Smokin al s (Al T)

Camp ( Brain ) & JAke

Nick

crustette (daughter)

MArk & Jake

And the Smoker

Mikey

Brian (702LTR450) +1 more enthusiast

Urkel

McKeown99

White Rhino plus 1 (at least)

SANDDUNESADDICT!

Jakster884 +1

ltr450

VegasHD +1

dune rat + 3 (maybe)

Chadwick99

SKINNER +1 computer challenged friend with a 70

JoeDuner +2 or 3

I12RIDE

dirtygirl

racenut77

NE14SAND and family

dune smurf +1

Foxysandchick (day trip, still a ?)

Jackster 1 = 2XL

White Rhino 1 = XL, 1 = M

Randog 1 = L

diqcheese 1 = XL, 1 = kid M

OGP 3=3XL 1 = kids L

JoeDuner 1=3xl, 1=kids large

dunefreak 2=XL

skinner 1=5XL, 1=2XL

Duniemonkie 1=M tank top

Sanddunesaddict 1=3XL

dune rat 2=2XL, 1=M

wsky70/dunejumper 1=2XL, 1=M

jorge loco 1=XL and 1=2XL

NE14SAND 2 = 3XL and 1=2XL

NACHOOOO 3 = XL, 1 = M

CHAZ 1=L, 1=XL

Mineurbiz 3=XL

I12RIDE 2 = 2XL, 1 = LG

Vegas style 1 = 3XL

SandSnake/FSC 1-XL, 1-M

Watch Craigslist and EBay. I see shocks for less then half of retail ALL the time.

That is all fine and dandy if you weight over 150lbs or even better if you weigh over 200lbs, but finding used or non-custom shocks for under 150lbs is not easy I've kept an eye out for over a year. No sense in buying some for half price and then having them rebuilt for another $600. But if you know of some then let me know!! Maybe I should just get er... .

quote name='chris1223' date='Feb 20 2009, 07:35 PM' post='168789']

It’s not just about the spring and dialing them down to be soft - It’s about using the full travel of the suspension. There are allot of factors involved - i.e. riding style and environment. It’s about using the full compression of the shock, and not bottoming out with whatever you throw at it. You never want a shock to completely hit bottom, but at the same time you want to utilize all of the travel. Then the rebound - you don’t want the shock to rebound too fast and spring you over the bars, but you want it to rebound fast enough that you can have it back to the position to use the full travel on the next obstacle.

Thanks, I understand all of that, the problem is my suspension doesn't move much at all much less using the complete travel and there is absolutely no possibility of bottoming out. It is so stiff that even if I put all of my weight on the front bumper it barely moves even an inch and when I sit on it it doesn't move at all and that is with the shocks all the way soft. So I get bucked off on jumps or when hitting a transition wrong or too fast due to the shocks not compressing at all.

I am partial to TCS because they are a US company as opposed to Elka (Canada). In the past, Todd was the person you talk to when you called – Yes allot of the time you didn’t get ahold of him right away, but he does call back – Just call there and talk to him, he will explain to help you out. They both make a great product, but Elka will not rebuild a stock rear or front as far as I know. If it was me I would want to save a little cake by being able to rebuild the current items - but that is just me.

My concern with rebuilding my stock shocks is can they actually take a shock that is that stiff for me and make it light enough? Say taking a shock set for about 225-250lbs and making it set for 125-150lbs for example? Is making a hundred pound adjustment possible by rebuilding a stock shock?

Elka does not rebuild shocks, their rear is about $900, but I was thinking about Elka fronts and having TCS rebuild my rear to save a little $$.

All in all you need to be able to talk to the builder and give him/her the input that pertains to YOUR preferences - Suspension is a bear to deal with, but when you get it right it’s really worth the effort. Talk to both builders and feel them out - Go with your gut feeling on who is going to give you what you want.

I talked to a guy from Elka and of course he says the new Dune Edition with just rebound and compression setting made to my weight would be my best option based on my riding style/terrain and complaints, didn't really ask him about the rear at the time.

Also if I was going to spend that kind of cake, I would also go +2 on the arms and longer axle - Cheep addition to add a ton of stability. You will also be able to tweek the caster and camber also - another set of items that really help out.

Thought about that also, but I'm not so concerned with stability (I haven't rolled it, just been thrown off twice). I have tried out different tires to help with stability and cornering, that seems to work for me. Also extending the front end would make it not fit into my truck .

You will really notice the difference in the desert with all of these items - do a 60 mile prerun before and after and you will see the difference...

I don't ride desert or trails hardly ever at all, think I have been in the desert maybe twice in 3 years. 99.9% of my riding is sand dunes.

Thanks for your input, I think I will call the TCS people and talk to them. I guess if I spent the $$ on those and ended up not liking them enough I could put them on our other Z400 and go with something different since I wouldn't be able to make up any of the $ by selling them .

You can set the ride height with just a spanner for your rear shock. You can also set compression and rebound of the rear on the stock raptor shock - So no you will not be pissing money away - The only cost is the spanner (20 bones) and time.

If you don’t have the reservoir stock shocks on the front they will have to be replaced - I don’t think there is anyone that reworks the front non-resi shocks. The rear on the other hand can be revalved/resprung from TCS. Elka will not do this service - they want you to buy there’s.

Even if you go with Elka, they are not completely tuned to you - I think they have a 50-pound range that most people find being sufficient. If you put them on after ordering them and they are not what you like, they will redo them for a price. TCS will rework them for you for the price of shipping.

If you want help on adjusting the rear let me know...

Chris..you seem knowledgable with suspension, maybe you can help me.

I have a Z400, my front and rear shocks have been adjusted to the softest they go and I don't weigh enough for there to be any sag in the suspension with me on the bike.

I have resi shocks, so I know I can get them all revalved at $200/shock, but I'm wondering can the stock shocks be revalved to any weight? They are sprung so high now that I'm not sure they can be made soft enough or would I have to get them revalved and get different springs etc??

This is the info I have come up with in my search on what to do .

Elka's are custom tuned to your weight. Most other shocks (Ishock/Works) are sold in 50lb increments with 150-200lbs being their lightest set-up. From their site 'Elka Suspension comes equipped with the exact spring rate to suit your weight. At Elka Suspension, we customize the valving so that the hydraulic resistance is optimal for each type of riding'.

I requested price quotes from TCS a few days ago on their shock conversions and their TCS and Elka pricing, I have yet to hear back from them.

Elka Dune Edition custom built shocks specifically engineered for the dunes and me for $940/front w/preload and compression adjustments and $895/rear w/preload, compression, rebound.

I'm thinking the rear is a little $$$, so I might go with Elka Dune Edition on the front and do a TCS custom conversion on the rear for $425 to total $1365. Full TCS custom conversions on stock shocks are about $1025 total.

http://www.atvsuspensiontech.com/tcs.htm

http://www.elkasuspension.com/products/suzuki-atv.html

Also TCS satisfaction revalve is free including shipping, but is good only for 30 days after delivery.

From their site 'Total Control Suspension guaranties your satisfaction with a 30 day re-valve guarantee. ATVSuspensionTech will back that up with a no questions asked shipping policy! If you need to ship your TCS Shocks back to be re-valved, within 30 day guarantee period, ATVSuspensionTech will pay for the shipping!'.

Elka has a follow up procedure and satisfaction guarantee, but it isn't specific.

Elka's turn around time is about 10days-2 weeks. With TCS you have to send yours (down time from riding) wait for them to be built then sent back to you, turn around time ???, or their shock exchange program for an extra $70 plus a $700 deposit to be refunded IF your shocks are to their liking...Don't know that is all worth the extra savings for a shock I have never seen on any bike and have heard no reviews for

I have actually ridden a couple bikes with Elkas and even set at a heavier weight they were a much nicer ride.

So has anyone actually used TCS??

oh yeah and I have enough seat time to know my issues are with shocks more then ability .

Just curious...what size jet are you running? Mine runs fine, but we have a few jets to try out and see what works best, we took the air box off and put on a k&n, so might change the jet next time out.

Here ya go Babert

:ah:

Glad you are okay....poor lil

tri tip was great

:hungry:

Pulled Pork wasn't ready when we stopped by for lunch, so we got the tri-tip, it was fantastic!!

Just saw it on the news and got on to update, but you guys are quick.

RIP

Thanks Paul. We'll be shreadin' the camps soon here brotha.

:dance:

Hey Kristin,

The tank is plastic, not original. It's not painted.

For the forks, I used some rattle can enamel paint that I had matched for my buggy.

It was fun to tear it down and redo the whole thing.

I'm totally stoked it's together,

but kinda sad cuz I looked forward to wrenchin' on it :

once in a while

every day

on the hour

between beers

instead of sleeping!

Do you think I need another one? :no_no:

R-

Hey Randy

So rattle can enamel works out just fine Thanks.

I will be tearing mine down this summer trying to plan ahead what and how to do everything. I still haven't decided on the color yet, so plastics haven't been ordered, but I got a pretty bada$$ seat cover installed.

I think you need another one !!

Here's a pic of my as posted in my 'new member to family' topic.

I've added a #plate to the forks and a handlebar pad since the pic.

Not all original but still came out good. :dumbass:

Randy, What did you use to paint the tank and forks???

ugh u might have just ate your last bacon surprise :dumbass:

Paul, you are a smart man, do you like bacon?

Just look at the banner Pete made for the Regatta.

That is me all 6'5 315 lbs!!!! on PaulyPauls

It does it just fine.

Sand~~Snakes hauled my fat a$$ last night 4 gear accelerating UP his street!!!

His has secret stuff though.

That is my and I haven't even gotten to ride it yet :dumbass:

But thanks for getting it running