Richard Cheese Posted August 27, 2007 Author Share Posted August 27, 2007 my chp buddy told me it's easy to look for the rigs to pull over where the highest possibilities of out of class drivers occur......................... triple axles is what they look for...5vers and tags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefoot bob Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 the length issue worries me the most Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazybanshee Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 So if my total length is 64ft and total axle weight is 14500 lbs on triple 5200 lb axles.That should be legal? Thanks for the help. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefoot bob Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 (edited) yea you are legal calis length is 65' rv and 75 fedral your triples are close together not a spread axel so the combined weight is factored in as long as your tires on the trailer are rated for your weight your golden. im 34' overall on the box trailer and 36' on the moto home. im a lil loooooong i hope with my class a commercial theyll let me go up tp the 75' limit :porn: although in california big rigs are supposed to have "not for hire on there side" when there for non commercial use. and you are still subject to scales. but your weights are legal. just make sure your tire rating is Edited August 28, 2007 by barefoot bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YamaKiller Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 my chp buddy told me it's easy to look for the rigs to pull over where the highest possibilities of out of class drivers occur......................... triple axles is what they look for...5vers and tags Would someone please give some more info on this..I have heard it both ways when it comes to weight. I am about to buy a WW FTL and WW told me it is not illegal if your over GVW as long as your not commercial. I also asked 2 CHP's and they agreed. But I keep reading about this on here and another site that they wil ticket you and red tag you. But where does it say it on the books. WW told me they can only ticket you if your over the weight rating of the tires which these tires are rated at like 21K but the sticker on trailer says 17K GVW. of course they just want to sell me a trailer Really need some answers fast not just opinion. Need to see it in writing or a copy of someones ticket or a phone number of someone that knows.. PLEASE HELP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 DO NOT go by what the dealer tells you!!!!! When it comes to liability it is all on you.....Hypethetically.......If you are over loaded/over weight and you get in an accident which seriously hurts or kills someone that will come back to you. Do u think WW would say "Well he was ok because it was for private use" Come on! This happened a couple of years ago to a family, I can't remember if it was here or so-cal. The man lost everything. His home, savings and his wife left him. If I remember I think he even did jail time. I remember reading about it on GD.com or an rv forum. Maybe Cheese can help me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YamaKiller Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 DO NOT go by what the dealer tells you!!!!! When it comes to liability it is all on you.....Hypethetically.......If you are over loaded/over weight and you get in an accident which seriously hurts or kills someone that will come back to you. Do u think WW would say "Well he was ok because it was for private use" Come on! This happened a couple of years ago to a family, I can't remember if it was here or so-cal. The man lost everything. His home, savings and his wife left him. If I remember I think he even did jail time. I remember reading about it on GD.com or an rv forum. Maybe Cheese can help me out. That might be true but I also have a friend that wrecked and was way over weight for the tow vehicle and the cops never even questioned it and the insurance paid it off including what was inside. So did they just miss the fact or is it not really a law???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cheese Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 So if my total length is 64ft and total axle weight is 14500 lbs on triple 5200 lb axles.That should be legal? Thanks for the help. Doug in ca the legal lenth is no more than 60 ft i believe if your axles are 5200lbs max...where does 14500 come from...your gvwr should 15,600 lbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cheese Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 Would someone please give some more info on this..I have heard it both ways when it comes to weight. I am about to buy a WW FTL and WW told me it is not illegal if your over GVW as long as your not commercial. I also asked 2 CHP's and they agreed. But I keep reading about this on here and another site that they wil ticket you and red tag you. But where does it say it on the books. WW told me they can only ticket you if your over the weight rating of the tires which these tires are rated at like 21K but the sticker on trailer says 17K GVW. of course they just want to sell me a trailer Really need some answers fast not just opinion. Need to see it in writing or a copy of someones ticket or a phone number of someone that knows.. PLEASE HELP they are not checking for the actual weight of your rig...they are going by the GVWR of your rig....and if its a tripp axle. either bumper pull (> 10,000 lbs) or 5ver (>15,000 lbs)...you will need a non commerical class A license to tow those rigs they actually look at the GVWR on the nose of the rig and what one CHP pulls people over for...the other will not...its all choice by them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YamaKiller Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 they are not checking for the actual weight of your rig...they are going by the GVWR of your rig....and if its a tripp axle. either bumper pull (> 10,000 lbs) or 5ver (>15,000 lbs)...you will need a non commerical class A license to tow those rigs they actually look at the GVWR on the nose of the rig and what one CHP pulls people over for...the other will not...its all choice by them Well, I just got a phone call back from the C.H.P. They answered my questions. And just so everyone knows this is what they said" According to Cali D.O.T. statute 24.002 they can (and will) pull a private rig/rv over if they have suspiscion that the trailer is over weight (i.e. tires look buldging, truck squated too much or any other reason they probably want to give) They will weigh the rig and if over weight you will be fined and the trailer will not be allowed to leave since then they would be liable if you wrecked. He did say this has been brought to thier attention because of all the new trailers coming out so heavy. So I guess this makes my decision for me and I will have to cancel my order for the WW Full Throttle. That SUCKS!! :Danielle: And it was due in next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandBox_Kid Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 DO NOT go by what the dealer tells you!!!!! When it comes to liability it is all on you.....Hypethetically.......If you are over loaded/over weight and you get in an accident which seriously hurts or kills someone that will come back to you. Do u think WW would say "Well he was ok because it was for private use" Come on! This happened a couple of years ago to a family, I can't remember if it was here or so-cal. The man lost everything. His home, savings and his wife left him. If I remember I think he even did jail time. I remember reading about it on GD.com or an rv forum. Maybe Cheese can help me out. That was on GD...... they are not checking for the actual weight of your rig...they are going by the GVWR of your rig....and if its a tripp axle. either bumper pull (> 10,000 lbs) or 5ver (>15,000 lbs)...you will need a non commerical class A license to tow those rigs they actually look at the GVWR on the nose of the rig and what one CHP pulls people over for...the other will not...its all choice by them This actually happened to me here in NV on my way through Pahrump to Dumont. I was just before the Tecopa turn off and was pulled over for NO reason whatsoever. The NHP even complained that the manufacturer put the sticker on the traffic side of the trailer putting him next to traffic. My 25' Ragen' (with 2 axles) stated the GV?? was 13,500 and that I needed to have a J endorsement on my NV license. Then he wanted to see my toys and started to ask wether or not he should also go to Dumont after his shift. :Danielle: Either way he let me go with a verbal warning to get the endorsement. I personally don't think that the axle count matters, but it would make it easy pickins' for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvnalolife Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 no, in NV it is a J endorsement. I'm looking into getting mine soon. I guess I need to get it then too as I weighed my trailer loaded before the last night ride and it came in at 13,320lbs. At least I am still under the GVWR of the trailer! Sometimes I miss the old trailer. 4000lbs lighter was sure a lot eisier to pull! But the buggy wouldn't fit so I had to upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandBox_Kid Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I guess I need to get it then too as I weighed my trailer loaded before the last night ride and it came in at 13,320lbs. At leats I am still under the GVWR of the trailer! Me too. Too bad we couldn't get a group discount! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvnalolife Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Me too. Too bad we couldn't get a group discount! Yeah no kidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 That might be true but I also have a friend that wrecked and was way over weight for the tow vehicle and the cops never even questioned it and the insurance paid it off including what was inside. So did they just miss the fact or is it not really a law???? I would say that he lucked out. It is law. My friend was the opposite. He had a truck and trailer, single vehicle accident. NHP weighed, measured and investigated everything. He was legal but received a fat bill for spill clean up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandBox_Kid Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I would say that he lucked out. It is law. My friend was the opposite. He had a truck and trailer, single vehicle accident. NHP weighed, measured and investigated everything. He was legal but received a fat bill for spill clean up. OUCH!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazybanshee Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 in ca the legal lenth is no more than 60 ft i believe if your axles are 5200lbs max...where does 14500 come from...your gvwr should 15,600 lbs Cheese 14500 lbs is the weight of the triple axles loaded. The max carrying weight of the axles is 15600 lbs. Cali law is 65ft for rec vehicles. Most states it is 70ft. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cheese Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 so is your gvwr 14500? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefoot bob Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 (edited) like i said they can if they want. you get into a serious accident and your overweight and they catch it your cooked !! even if your not at fault, if the other guy says weigh him his weight caused it. your cooked!! keep in mind your tounge gvw is not the final word if you had a trailer and you upgraded the axels or added an axel and improved your tires you can carry more weight. the burden of proof is on you still.( springs and frame size also plays in) semis under commercial reg in cali you can register up to a certain weight so your axels can carry it but if the owner didnt register the truck at that weight he can still get red tagged. ( thats commercial however) i know that a class c cali licenses you can pull 26,000 lbs( like a 2 axel small dump truck) as long as theres no air brakes. but using a trailer to pull the weight effects the license class. i dont know about non commercial maximums. but alot of these 1 tons are over weight to when you load them big trailers up. i know alot of the big alpha toyhaulers are dam near maxed before you put anything in them. and it wouldnt suprise me if theres otheres Edited August 31, 2007 by barefoot bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefoot bob Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 so is your gvwr 14500? no his weight rating is much higher his trailers axels maybe 15500 but that rear axel on the rig is rated for 20,000 lbs and the front should be rated at 15,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cheese Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 i am not saying that they WONT weigh you.......i am just saying....from LEO point of view...it is easier to look for trips, than bulging tires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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