Foxysandchick

You are so bored you had to make 2 names to talk back and forth with yourself??

http://www.inyocounty.us/Sheriff/Press_Rel...t_Operation.pdf

http://www.inyoregister.com/content/view/121480/1/

http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-...copa-litterbugs

50CAL is going to be at clean up....wonder if he is going to leave his trash for us to pick up and dump his :poop: tanks there too.

It only takes a couple people to make everyone look bad :ahhhhh: .

^^^ Nice riding boots

Carson Rebel 14ft~ 3200lbs

Carson Fun Runner/Titan 16ft~ 3400lbs

Forest River Work and Play 16ft~ 4000lbs

Weekend Warrior Super Cross 16-18ft~ 4000lbs

There's a couple options available, but finding one at a good price .

Enclosed trailer with an air mattress and a portable geni...

Woohoo me and Ashley are going to be cruzin through them dunes .

Congrats, can't wait to see it finished.

ok, I know all the laws. are YOU saying its ok to have a loaded weapon in my parked motorhome at dumont.? hope so, cuz it is. I can use it to defend myself just cant use it for target practice at the dunes. you also can carry unloaded weapon in car in cal if in trunk or in lockbox in trunk or on seat next to you. thats is in nutshell. dont need anymore on this one. thanks for the fun.

Yes that is what it all says .

I'm not saying it is legal, the info on the law I provided says it is.

Foxy

I think you miss-understood. I never said CCW info was shared by other states. Nor would I never suggest carrying a weapon in the communist state of CA. My concern is that declaring a weapon in Nevada does not entitle the LEO to do a illegal search of your vehicle. Further if LEO's continue to do so traffic stops become MORE dangerous because you have to decide if the LEO is an a$$.... or not before declaring a weapon. Hassling permit holders is a really bad idea. They aren't required to declare and won't if this crap continues.

Questionable searches piss people off.....be it in Nevada or Tecopa CA. IMHO Citing for open container in the trash in a trailer also crosses the line. If you carry a badge or ever carried one that crap damages YOU. Don't you have to consider that on that next traffic stop lack of respect for the badge could become an issue?

As for the ride along.....I've seen more than enough of the world through those windows.

Eli

I didn't misunderstand, you said that CCW info was linked with DMV info, if a cop runs your plate he will know if you have a CCW...that is not correct, that is the information I verified with Metro. CCW info is available on the computer, but it is accessed through a completely seperate search that the cop has to do and is specific to NV.

I followed up to that info to make sure that in CA they could not access your CCW or gun registration info, because if like you said and it was linked in with a license plate query then all other states would also have access to that info.

The rest wasn't directed to you..I completely agree with you... in regards to cops performing illegal searches in NV and Cali, guess what...they have always done it and are going to continue to do it! Why, because they get away with it and they get away with it because people do not educate themselves on the law and how to deal with LE and protect their rights...and how many ever do anything about it, not many. So, there are steps you can take to protect yourself from unreasonable and illegal searches by LE in both NV and CA and that is the info I was sharing.

I agree, everything the cops are doing in Tecopa is complete BS, but is anyone who was affected going to do anything about it or it is just going to keep happening?? Like I said, what if any of you are the person who gets harrassed in Tecopa and you don't know that what the cops are doing is wrong, so you get taken advantage of because you expect that LE follows the laws.

Cops are not overly concerned with maintaining public respect for the badge, they have pretty much accepted that most people do not respect LE. It is taught in the academy that the general public does not respect or appreciate LE, they say everyone loves a firefighter and hates a cop. They are fully aware that lack of respect is an issue, they know that uniform puts them at risk everywhere they go. Why do you think cops don't have specialty plates or stickers on their vehicles or wear identifying items in public? A lot of cops won't tell someone they don't know that they are a cop, we were told to make up a profession in those situations. Everyone I work with now is prior LE and/or military, a lot of them have had encounters with local LE and there is no longer even a standard professional courtesy for those who have worn a badge and served their time! They come in with their stories about how disrespectful and rude they were treated and some were even written tickets for minor traffic violations, if the cops are treating their own that way what makes you as a civilian expect to be treated any differently.

Just because you wait to pull over to a parking lot does not mean Metro can't tow your vehicle. The longer it takes to pull over the more the officer thinks you have something to hide also.

Please explain under what circumstances on a routine traffic stop that Metro can tow your vehicle.

Don't just make a statement that is based on your own opinion, back it up.

If you get pulled over for say speeding which is probably the most common violation and you know you are going to jail, most common reason is having a warrant, and you legally park and secure you vehicle and exit the vehicle...how can Metro legally tow it??

You want to know why vehicles get towed on traffic stops where the driver goes to jail? It's because the vehicle is usually parked illegally and gets towed as a 'traffic hazard' for safekeeping.

depends on apples and oranges. the law has 2 points. 1-moving a firearm in a vehicle as above 2-having a loaded firearm in your motorhome(not moving and living in it) or in your toyhauler(again not moving and living in it). they each have specific laws since they are different. I can have my weapon in my motorhome at the dunes and be ready to fire, it does not have to be in a locked container.

the laws are different from transportation as opposed to a home, motel room, mh or toyhauler you are living in.

just more food for thought--aint this fun

Above is in reference to driving your vehicle in pocession of a firearm not while camping in your trailer and having it, yes there is a different law for that...but the discussion is reference traffic stops to/from Dumont.

In reference to having a firearm in your trailer at the dunes...

"It is unlawful to carry a loaded rifle, shotgun, or handgun in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated area or an area where firing a firearm is prohibited." It is illegal to fire a firearm at Dumont, but there is an exception...

"A person carrying a firearm while at home or at his place of business, including temporary residences and campsites."

Open Carry Laws in CA (I can't access the link above)

[edit] Open Carry Laws

Personal possession (i.e. carry) of a loaded firearm is prohibited in incorporated areas (such as inside city limits) or prohibited areas of unincorporated territory without a license to carry or other exemption provided for by law.[15] A license to carry "loaded and exposed" may be issued by a Police Chief or County Sheriff in a county with population of less than 200,000 persons at the last census.[16] No license or permit is required to openly carry a loaded firearm in unincorporated areas where discharge is not prohibited by local ordinance. (Discharge is prohibited in Dumont)

Despite these restrictions, there is no section of the California penal code that specifically prohibits open carry of an unloaded handgun (though possession may be restricted or prohibited in certain areas such as a State Park (CCR Title 14, Div.3, chap. 1, s 4313 (a), in a school zone (PC626.9) or federal properties like a Post Office or National Park (36 C.F.R. 2.4(a)).

Carrying a loaded magazine separate from the handgun is also not prohibited under the penal code (Subdivision (g) of California Penal Code 12031 defines what constitutes a loaded weapon).

they are not too worried about someone having a weapon on them if they are pulling over for stupid things like trailer weight.

ps-why do I want to go through all that hassle and then have to go go court in cal to prove my innocence when I was doing nothing wrong to be pulled over in the first place. I dont thing placing 5 patrol cars in tecopa is money well spent. how about going and getting the bad guys with that wasted manpower. :clown:

LE is always concerned about someone having a weapon. They have to pull people over for the 'stupid' reasons to get the bigger crimes, they can't pull you over just to check to see if you are carrying a weapon.

But like someone mentioned above he always declares pocession of a weapon during a traffic stop, so shouldn't he know the risks he is taking by doing so while not carrying it legally?

Obviously the Inyo cops are writing rediculous tickets that won't stand up in court, so would you put it past them to mess with someone for firearms violations? They are already doing illegal searches of peoples vehicles and trailers.

Nobody wants to go through any of that hassle, but if the cops want to pull you over they are going to find a reason even if you think you are not doing anything wrong. So, if you happen to fall victim to these cops in Tecopa wouldn't you want to be educated so that you can do something about it, defend yourself and stop this from happening in the future.

ok this might be , but what would u recommend i should do if i get puled over and Gauge, Coral and Sandy are in the vehicle? obviously i cant roll down the window all the way,

also from what i understand is that when traveling with a weapon in ca, ammo and gun have to be seperated, so no clip or 1 in the chamber, i could be wrong

Gun laws in CA....Yes, it can not be loaded and has to be in a locked compartment.

So, unloaded and stored in the trailer would be legal.

A NV CCW is not valid in CA.

Loaded Firearms in a Public Place

It is unlawful to carry a loaded firearm on one’s person or in a vehicle while in any public

place, on any public street, or in any place where it is unlawful to discharge a firearm.

(Penal Code § 12031(a)(1).)

A firearm is deemed loaded when there is a live cartridge or shell in, or attached in any

manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to, the firing chamber, magazine, or clip

thereof attached to the firearm. A muzzle-loading firearm is deemed loaded when it is

capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinder. (Penal

Code § 12031(g).)

It is unlawful for the driver of any motor vehicle, or the owner of any motor vehicle

irrespective of whether the owner is occupying the vehicle, to knowingly permit any

person to carry a loaded firearm in the vehicle in violation of Penal Code section 12031, or

Fish and Game Code section 2006. (Penal Code § 12034.) Also, see “Other Prohibited

Acts,” page 49.

In order to determine whether a firearm is loaded, peace officers are authorized to examine

any firearm carried by anyone on his or her person or in a vehicle while in any public

place, on any public street, or in any prohibited area of an unincorporated territory.

Refusal to allow a peace officer to inspect a firearm pursuant to these provisions is, in

itself, grounds for arrest. (Penal Code § 12031

Loaded Firearms, individuals may not carry or transport a loaded firearm. The firearm should be unloaded and placed in the trunk of the vehicle, or if the vehicle has no trunk, placed in a fully enclosed secure locked

container other than the utility or glove compartment of a motor vehicle (Penal Code §§ 12026.1, 12027.)

obviously, they are not too worried about it since they are pulling people over for pulling a load that is too heavy? regardless, this is harassment plain and simple. they really don't have just cause but the long hand of the law can make up one to suit their intentions. They are kinda like the BLM, how about pulling over the guys in buggies that go 90 next to camps instead of the kid that broke his whip and gets a ticket.

They aren't too worried about what??

There is a difference if they say they are pulling you over because your load is too heavy, or because you were speeding, or because your trailer matches the description of one used in a crime. Everyone says every time they get pulled over it is harrassment, well don't do anything wrong and you don't have anything to be concerned about, right? But people need to know what is right and what is wrong that the cops are doing, so they can fight the tickets and make a point back to CHP and Tecopa that they will not allow themselves to be harrassed. But yes CHP and Tecopa are blantly harassing people going through Tecopa because the town of Tecopa does not want us driving through their town, this isn't the first time there has been an issue there. They are writing tickets that should not hold up in court under the hope that us out of towners with all kinds of expensive toys will just write them a nice check and they will make their $$ and maybe in the process they will please the people of Tecopa if more people start using other routes to get to/from the dunes. Some of these people who get tickets just assume that what the cop says must be the law that a cop wouldn't write a ticket for something that isn't illegal, well it isn't true cause they will write the ticket anyway, nothing happens to them if the ticket gets thrown out so why shouldn't they try and make some money off people who don't know any better. So the point is, don't just take the ticket and send a check, research the violation yourself and fight it, go to court, make a complaint to the department, raise hell! That's the only thing that will make the harassment stop, know your rights, know the law and do something about the unfair treatment.

I think we all agree it's a bunch of BS and we could complain all day long on the internet about how the LE does their jobs, but that isn't going to change anything.

I wonder if they are also on the look out for TH's who's payments haven't been made and are looking to pick up some repossesions? IDK how all that works.. it's just a thought.

That is considered a 'civil' matter not a 'criminal' matter, cops do not get involved in repos at all.

ok this might be , but what would u recommend i should do if i get puled over and Gauge, Coral and Sandy are in the vehicle? obviously i cant roll down the window all the way,

also from what i understand is that when traveling with a weapon in ca, ammo and gun have to be seperated, so no clip or 1 in the chamber, i could be wrong

If you do not roll down the back window they will usually ask you to do it as they get to the rear of the vehicle, so at that time you could advise them that there are 3 ferocious dogs in the back of the vehicle. I had to do this in AZ for the highway patrol when I had Chubby in the back seat, he was really cool about it.

Eli.....I just confirmed with a Metro detective... CCW info is available on the SCOPE system which means it is not linked to a license query, the officer has to take your name and enter it into another program to get that info, SCOPE also provides arrest history for NV. SCOPE is a NV specific program, so that means CCW info is not shared with other states....so if pulled over in CA they could not access your CCW info. Gun registration info is not accessible on the computers in the patrol cars they have to make a phone call to check that info still.

It is completely possible for an officer to run your plate, get your name and put it into the other programs before they pull you over. It literally takes less than a minute for them to get the info returns if the systems are running properly.

I just checked also... Metro is again doing civilian ride alongs, lots of practical knowledge gained by doing a couple of those.

I took the written test today at the Henderson DMV, the test is 20 questions and you can miss 4 questions. I did very little studing of the J&R endorcement handbook and passed. Next they will give you a permit that is good for one year, you can still get a ticket with the permit. You will need to call the North Vegas office to schedule your drive test. After Wed 2/24/10 the requirements for information you need to supply changes. You will be required to Have a orignal birth certificate or passport, your SSN card and 2 forms of proff of your address (bills that are mailed to your house in your name) Make sure you take this information with you or they will turn you around. The reason that I was given about this new requirement is due to Homeland security.

Awesome, thanks for the info .

When you say .. you can still get a ticket... do you mean for like speeding or can and will you get a ticket for not having the endorsement because your still in permit stage?

You confussed me.. lol.. sometimes its not hard

Capt

I'm not understanding the ticket part either.... Like with a driving permit you have to have a licensed driver with you, are there restrictions on the towing permit?

David, I'm good at written tests, so I'll go take it first then tell you (and Jim ) what the important stuff to know is .

I have buddys that are cops in vegas and they suggest not exiting the vehicle.......this does not go over well, you will either be ordered back into your vehicle or place infront of a patrol vehicle. If you are infront of a patrol car you are now going to be patted down for weapons. Cops main concern is being safe and when you exit the vehicle this creates a possible officer safety problem.

Also just because someone has a ccw that does that not mean the cops are going to search the car, that does not make sense. A ccw holder has to be generally a upstanding citizen so why would a cop want to search that vehicle, more than likely they do not have anything to hide.

Vehicle stops are the #1 most dangerous thing a cop does. Someone inside a vehicle is an officer safety issue itself. Exiting the vehicle is a concern because it is not the norm and when someone does something that most other people don't do it puts the cop more on edge, but every cop on every car stop is already concerned. More officers die on car stops than any other on duty situation.

If you choose to exit your vehicle for whatever your reason may be, do so slowly with your hands in view at all times and do NOT walk towards the patrol car or reach back into the vehicle once you are out.

Think about this..someone gets out of the veh following the above procedure and the cop orders them to the front of their patrol car while maintaining cover at their door, with their weapon drawn if they feel the need...is that safer than...someone in the veh, say the windows are dark tinted, it's night and they stopped where there isn't much light, its a truck so it sits higher than the patrol car thus reducing the officers view of movements inside (that was the scene when I got stopped in dec), the officer has to leave all forms of cover and walk towards the veh while the occupants watch the officer, who then arrives at the door without any cover and weapon still in holster...

The procedure for if someone exits the vehicle on a car stop is to NOT allow that person to re-enter the vehicle and to call the person to the front of the patrol car. It is more dangerous for the person to be in the vehicle than out of it and standing at the patrol car. But not all departments have the same procedures and not all cops follow the procedures. Once you are at the front of the car you may be patted down for weapons without your consent, but they may not complete a search of your person unless you are being arrested or you give consent. Once you are out of the vehicle they have no reason to enter it and complete a search, unless you are going to jail, plain view, consent, or PC. They won't have PC to search if they stopped you for a traffic violation and not because 'your vehicle matches the description of' unless they think they can get away with it and don't think you know your rights.

Text book what to do on a vehicle stop is....immediately signal and pull to the right, stop the vehicle, place in park, roll down the drivers window and rear drivers side window if equipped, turn on the dome light if its night time, place hands on steering wheel till officer arrives....not many people actually do this though and cops are use to people not being predictable or doing what they are supposed to, they train to prepare for those situations.

I have buddies in Metro too, but the difference is I also have a P# myself and I know what it is like to be in the patrol car making a traffic stop and not knowing what to expect .

Great theory....reality is somewhat different: I NEVER get out of the car unless requested to do so. I stick my hands out the window where the officer can see them. So if I'm handcuffed, standing in front of cruiser without any access to the center console and they tear the entire vehicle apart you would think that unreasonable....Not in Henderson in their eyes you declared a weapon and that's enough for them.

Used to be true but it appears the databases have been updated. I've been stopped when the officer didn't have time or any reason run anything but my plate. He asked if there was a weapon in the vehicle and I told him no because there wasn't. He said "the reason I asked is that it showed you had a permit which comes up now." I think Metro added it to their database. Metro has never supported "must issue" anyway although that's their boss's lobbying in Carson City and not all of the street cops views.

Eli

It's personal preference, like I stated IF you do decide to exit the vehicle for whatever reasons you have, do so slowly and keep your hands in view, yes it will make the cop uncomfortable. If you have exited the vehicle and have no reason to re-enter the vehicle, which is why I said have your paperwork accessible..the cops have no reason to search your vehicle unless you are being taken to jail or you have something illegal in plain view. It doesn't matter if you declare a weapon or not, if you are not in the vehicle they can not enter it and if they do the only area they can access is the immediate location of the weapon. If you are not in the vehicle then do not declare the weapon, if they ask say no, if they ask consent to search say no. They do not have PC to search a vehicle for a traffic stop, which is why I said they are to tell you the reason for the stop upon initial contact, if they don't then ask. If you are concerned that you will be arrested and you do not want them to access you vehicle.. if you get pulled over, pull into some place and park legally, so when they take you to jail they can't tow (hence enter) your vehicle.

I live in Henderson also and I've been stopped by HPD, I have 2 gun permits and I'm listed in their database as prior law enforcement from LVMPD. Each time I was stopped they knew nothing about me (the last time was 2 months ago) until they went back to their vehicle to run their checks and he still never questioned a weapon.

If you know the laws and know your rights and the officer knows that you are knowledgable they are going to be less likely to take advantage of you...and that is exactly how they get away with what they do, because people don't know any better and are hesitant to speak up to a cop. You think you aren't being treated fairly request the supervisor, note the officers name and ask for their P#...if they don't give you any info and don't cite you or arrest you, but you don't think you are treated fairly or legally then call IAB...internal affairs and give them the time of stop and location and description, tell them you want to be advised of the outcome and get a ref # and name. You may not think IAB will follow-up on one of their own, but you would be surprised. I've had to make statements on investigations on officers from situations I wouldn't have thought would be investigated.

I'll confirm with metro this week if gun registration is linked to vehicle registration or if it has to be searched seperately. I'm pretty sure it is all seperate searches, there is pages of info that comes up from a simple plate query, if they linked everything to a plate search they would be overwhelmed with pages of info. I use to run plate after plate 10-20 at a time and just wait for a 'hit', the dispatcher would get my 'hit' before I would because I was busy scanning through 2-4 pages for each plate I ran and that was just registration info and stolen info. They have different databases for searches, DMV, NCIC, NCJIS and SCOPE, each of those provides specific info and you can't (or you couldn't) run 1 search and get it all back. It doesn't take very long to get the returns when the system is running properly. It's not my theory it's my real life experience.

But back on the track a bit...if you are carrying a gun to Cali you should probably check out the laws and know your rights. The reason I stated how to avoid having your vehicle searched was to help out any of those law abiding, good people, fellow duners, who happen to take a gun with them to the dunes.

I'm pretty sure NV is not sharing gun registration info with other states, but I'll check on that also.

http://blogs.pe.com/news/digest/2010/02/ri...crash-in-d.html

Doesn't say much different...

Sorry to hear it was a family friend Nick...thoughts to the family.

I don't think you EVER HAVE to consent. If they think they have probable cause they are gonna do it anyway. If they ask you if you have something to hide you still have the right not to incriminate yourself even if you are breaking the law.

The legal advise I got was: "There is case law supporting probable cause in every possible direction. It's simply a matter of finding a case that supports your situation." Unfortunately the DA knows that too.

CCW instructors in Nevada often tell you to declare the weapon during a traffic stop. That's simply common sense, nobody wants to surprise a cop with a weapon but to my knowledge there is no Nevada law requiring you to do so. In an interesting twist often applied in North Vegas and Henderson. When you tell the officer your CCW he may search your vehicle even without possible cause "because he's required to make the weapon safe" or so they will claim. So if he's run your plate through the database and it comes back you are a permit holder, can he then search your vehicle? I say not, he still doesn't have probable cause but North Vegas and Henderson disagree by their actions.

Regardless it's stupid position for them to take. IMHO it makes the streets more dangerous for everybody including the cop on the street. If you have the right not to incriminate yourself if you are doing so illegally, why would the street cops want to hassle somebody that's already gone through the permit process and clearly wants to be legal? The answer simply seems to because they think they can. Those that are legal should be able to declare without getting hassled over it especially when they are not required to do so.

IMHO These two cities and the officers that pull this crap truly belong in the state of California and it seems they would be in similar company at Tecopa.

Eli

True, they do not have to have consent to search, there are too many circumstances to list under which the cops can conduct a search without your consent. They can ask for consent and you can say no and they can still get away with a search. They got away with it in Tecopa by saying the trailer matches the description of a trailer used in a crime, that gives them PC to search without your consent. If they stop you can say you were pulled over for a traffic violation then they don't have PC to search. When they make the stop they are supposed to tell you what you are being stopped for, if they don't then ask right away.

During a routine traffic stop...If you have a weapon in the car and you don't want them to search your vehicle simply get out of the vehicle with your paperwork in hand before they get up to you...only caution is getting out of the vehicle is going to put the cop on edge so make sure you are calm and keep your hands visible and wait for the cop to approach you, do not approach their vehicle. They have no reason to enter the vehicle to make the weapon safe if the weapon is not accessible to you. If you stay in the vehicle and declare you have a weapon they can only go into the immediate area in which you state the weapon is located, if it's in the center console they can only go into the center console.

The advise you were given couldn't be more correct!

You want to get technical...another difference to look into when driving through different cities with a firearm is called the 'method of carry' some cities don't allow carry with a round in the chamber and some do, etc. The actual laws have been difficult to find, but I'm sure the firearms unit from each department could clarify.

For current law info, not only is there the Nevada Revised statutes, but also the city and county ordinances and codes to check also .

Oh and just fyi when a cop just runs your license plate the only info that comes back is DMV info, not your arrest history, warrants (unless a plate is linked to a warrant, info, stolen etc), firearms registration, etc. Those take more effort on their part and they don't always run those checks on routine traffic stops, they will usually only check dmv reg and warrants...of course all cops are different and all departments are different, but generally speaking. They use to not be able to check for gun registration on the computer, but I know they have changed the firearms registry and database since I worked there and I don't know what they can do now. I was stopped in Henderson just before the new year and he did extra checks on me that they normally don't do and still didn't mention my firearm registration, he did find that I had a 'P' number which is how I knew he ran the extra checks.

How long is the wait for the drive test?

Capt

Jim got an email from the DMV today ref the J endorcement process, they said you have to take a written test to get a permit first then make an appt for the driving skills test. They said not all DMV locations do the driving test so you have to check which locations have someone qualified and make an appt with them. They didn't say how long you had to have the permit for before you could take the skills test or what kind of restrictions came with the permit or anything like that.

So what's the verdict for those of us in NV that go into CA? Is the J endorsement good enough or does it have to be a class A?

If you are licensed and registered in NV then you are required to have the proper class/endorcements for NV not for CA.

Non-commercial class A is for GVWR over 26,000lbs

Under 26,000lbs, but over 10,000lbs is J endorcement

Under 10,000lbs is a regular class C license

This isn't the same car is it??

this pic is from dunepix.com..friday am album 0212am-83rails, page 9-10

It's probably close to 11,000+lbs...

http://www.forestriverinc.com/nd/default22.asp?nav=rec

If it helps any our 05 ww fs3000 is 72" clearance under the rear single bunk.

What is the actual law code for Dumping sewage/gray water??

example...Glass Containers is 43 CFR 8361.1-6, so what is the Code of Federal Regulation, or what ever statute it's violating, for "Draining of sewage tanks, littering, or dumping of trash is prohibited"??

If you get a citation for draining your gray tank what is the crime that is listed and what is the statute #?

A friend of mine said he got pulled over because his trailer fit the descrition of another trailer that was reported as hauling Mass Fire Arms across county line's. WTF ever. Then they proceed to write him a grip of tickets such as

overweight trailer no class C Lic. Empty beer cans in a trash bag on his trailer which they considered open containers, give me a break. Tinted window on his tow vehicle, and more totaling out to $7K in tickets. Anyone else run into these clowns? Sounds like there trying to stop all acess threw Tecopa to get to Dumont. I heard they were going to start targeting Tecopa really hard for Dunners. But this is just to much. I can see you break the law fine you desrve a ticket but this is horse S*%!. This guy is in no way a Violater and they tore his whole trailer apart looking for whatever they could ticket him on. I meen go threw his trash bags, how hard up are you guys target the real criminals?

Hope your friend plans to fight these tickets!! They write those tickets with the expectation that people are just going to pay them and not show up to court.

I'm surprised they were smart enough to use the 'your vehicle matches the description of' excuse to justify the stop and the search :ahhhhh: . A lot of people don't know their rights when it comes to vehicle and personal searches.

Automobile Exception

The automobile exception says that if police have probable cause to believe that a vehicle contains contraband or evidence of a crime, they can search the vehicle without a warrant. Similarly, if an officer has probable cause to believe that the automobile itself is contraband (i.e. a vehicle used for transporting cocaine), the officer can search and seize the automobile without a warrant.

Scope of Search

If police have probable cause to search the vehicle, the automobile exception gives them the right to search the "entire vehicle." This includes the trunk and all containers within the vehicle that might contain the object for which they have probable cause to believe exists. If the officer has probable cause to believe that a dead body is in the vehicle, the officer cannot search a tiny container (where a dead body clearly could not be). Notably, the passengers belongings might be searched as well under the automobile exception.

Probable Cause is defined as "the facts and circumstances within the arresting officer's knowledge are sufficient to warrant a prudent person to believe that a suspect has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime."

The problem is the Officer doesn't have to prove/justify what he claims his knowledge is...

Did they weigh the trailer??

Just for general knowledge here is the NV laws....

NRS 484.755 "Any officer of the Nevada Highway Patrol having reason to believe that the weight of a vehicle and load is unlawful may require the driver to stop and submit to a weighing of the vehicle either by means of portable or stationary scales and may require that the vehicle be driven to the nearest public scales, if they are within 5 miles."

The fine is based on the amount of excessive weight per NRS 484.757, so how can they access the fine/write the ticket without the actual weight?? http://leg.state.nv.us/nrs/NRS-484.html#NRS484Sec755

From what I can find, the law is the same in CA.

Beer cans in a trash bag in the bed of a vehicle can not be considered open containers per NRS 484.448 "it is unlawful for a person to have an open container of an alcoholic beverage within the passenger area of a motor vehicle while the motor vehicle is upon a highway" “Passenger area” means that area of a vehicle which is designed for the seating of the driver or a passenger. http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-484.html#NRS484Sec448

The law is the same in Cali.

Cali police citing for NV tint laws , they can't enforce laws outside of their jursidiction and a veh registered in NV is not subject to the non-moving traffic laws in other states. But did they even use a meter to test the tint level?

In NV the level is “a total light transmission of not less than 35 percent with a tolerance of 7 percent” and all windows except the windshield can be tinted. The NRS is 484.619 and 484.6195 http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Nrs/NRS-484.html#NRS484Sec619

Thoughts sent to a quick recovery.

It has been mentioned a couple times that the belts weren't mounted correctly, could someone explain how they were mounted? Thanks.