thinking about a swaybar

[barefoot bob]

any pros or cons ???? for the rail of course

i've herd good things from people who have them .................................

Edited August 27, 2007 by barefoot bob

[dunefreak]

I've heard they work great for duning and fast driving, but they tend to make transitioning over razors a lil tougher due to less articulation.

[barefoot bob]

I've heard they work great for duning and fast driving, but they tend to make transitioning over razors a lil tougher due to less articulation.

so on the steep razors it would be like an old schooler like 3 wheelin ??? that i could live ill put a quick release on it like my jeep was my line of thinking

im wanting to cut body roll those long shocks store up enrgy and when they rebound theyll flip the car theres a rash of that goin on lately

[90+ PLUS]

so on the steep razors it would be like an old schooler like 3 wheelin ??? that i could live ill put a quick release on it like my jeep was my line of thinking

im wanting to cut body roll those long shocks store up enrgy and when they rebound theyll flip the car theres a rash of that goin on lately

whats that?

[dunefreak]

whats that?

It's where the car tends to lean into the turns.

[barefoot bob]

and on long travel cars it leeeeeeeans sliding and what not. thats why alot of guys flip there car on flat ground.

i told him to put it on

ill biuld a quick disco for dumont

[Sick Dayz]

I’m putting one in the rear of my Silencer car. I have it tabed out for the front too, just in case I want to try it.

Justin at Revenge says it makes his Silencer drive like a slot car…

[barefoot bob]

I’m putting one in the rear of my Silencer car. I have it tabed out for the front too, just in case I want to try it.

Justin at Revenge says it makes his Silencer drive like a slot car… :porn:

copycater

see might as well get the light adjuster to

thats what im hoping for is the slot car effect

dont want you passing me

[Sick Dayz]

copycater

see might as well get the light adjuster to

thats what im hoping for is the slot car effect :porn:

dont want you passing me

I will have mine installed by next week, so who's the COPYCAT?

You better get to work, because i plan on flyin thought the dunes...

[monsterman]

I've heard they work great for duning and fast driving, but they tend to make transitioning over razors a lil tougher due to less articulation.

ditto on that one

[barefoot bob]

I will have mine installed by next week, so who's the COPYCAT?

You better get to work, because i plan on flyin thought the dunes...

lol you are. mine will be done this thursday. tell your biulder to get on the stick. lets go dune tune this weekend

o ya and COPYCATER !!!! :porn:

Edited August 28, 2007 by barefoot bob

[Sick Dayz]

lol you are. mine will be done this thursday. tell your biulder to get on the stick. lets go dune tune this weekend

o ya and COPYCATER !!!! :dance:

I wish I could make it this weekend. I’m planning a shake down trip to Sand Mountain the end of September.

[barefoot bob]

I wish I could make it this weekend. I’m planning a shake down trip to Sand Mountain the end of September.

dam my buddies leaving for the weekend im gonna be out there by myself

[90+ PLUS]

:chev_bowtie: It's where the car tends to lean into the turns.

i never knew that :shoot_head: learn something new everyday

Edited August 28, 2007 by tanner54

[barefoot bob]

i never knew that :chev_bowtie: learn something new everyday

the long travel makes it more noticable in lt cars. a sway bar connects the trailing arms on a torsion bar and transfers momentum. allowing you not to lean so hard and lets you corner faster. the flip side is less articulation over razors and such for me its a fair trade.

it doesnt hinder your travel when jumping only articulating which menas on a steep razor it might plant my rearend and cause the leading front tire to catch air " three wheeling" which i dont mind personally.

ive been seeing way to many lt cars flipping on simple slides i want less roll or lean all cars have them . i sacrafice a lil for more performance and in my view saftey. :shoot_head:

Edited August 28, 2007 by barefoot bob

[90+ PLUS]

the long travel makes it more noticable in lt cars. a sway bar connects the trailing arms on a torsion bar and transfers momentum. allowing you not to lean so hard and lets you corner faster. the flip side is less articulation over razors and such for me its a fair trade.

it doesnt hinder your travel when jumping only articulating which menas on a steep razor it might plant my rearend and cause the leading front tire to catch air " three wheeling" which i dont mind personally.

ive been seeing way to many lt cars flipping on simple slides i want less roll or lean all cars have them . i sacrafice a lil for more performance and in my view saftey. :chev_bowtie:

i always knew the car leaned especially when i pull the cutting break, but i've never heard it called body roll. thanks for all the info Bob!

[OGP]

Hummm body lean, Whats that? lol If the shocks are storing up energy, Wouldnt dialing in the rebound damping help when the shock unloads? Alot of the long travel cars sit high up making the center of gravity alot higher creating the body lean. Some brands of cars, Are designing there cars lower to the ground so there is alot lower center of gravity. Also going with a flatter profile paddle tire helps the car slide instead of wanting to roll over. I think?

[EY3BA11]

you thought right

[Sick Dayz]

Hummm body lean, Whats that? lol If the shocks are storing up energy, Wouldnt dialing in the rebound damping help when the shock unloads? Alot of the long travel cars sit high up making the center of gravity alot higher creating the body lean. Some brands of cars, Are designing there cars lower to the ground so there is alot lower center of gravity. Also going with a flatter profile paddle tire helps the car slide instead of wanting to roll over. I think?

It’s not so much that the shock is storing energy and needs to release it slower (rebound valuing). You can’t adjust body roll with rebound valuing.

What’s happening is that the shock is doing its job. It is supposed to compress under load. Like when you jumping or go over woops. The problem in a turn is that the outer shock compresses (because the entire load is on that corner), and the inside shock extends because the load is shifted to the outer shock, causing body roll.

If you add a torsion bar connecting both training arms together, when one side compresses, the torsion bar puts a load on the other side causing the whole car to lower and not lean near as much.

If you really want to get rid of roll, put a torsion bar in the front, as well…

In most cases you won’t even notice the torsion bar while dunning, because when the left side hits a bump the right side does as well, so they want to compress together anyway. The only time you will notice is when the right and left wheels hit bumps at different times, like going sideways over woops or crossing a razor. Remember, the torsion bar is a specific diameter rod of steel and can be changed-out to find just the right amount of torsion.

[barefoot bob]

you thought right

no, sick days thought right .your forgetting about ladderal energy . if you take a low slung car such as the corvette nice low center of gravity look under it youll find a sway bar for the exact reasons described above

ogp makes a good point and they aid it somewhat but the ladderal energy cannot be compensated with valving

ill explain more a lil later back to "the sheild"..........................................

anywase hypotheticaly your car weighs 2000 lbs lets say. the front carries 400lbs at each wheel. the rear carries 600 per wheel .when the car leans hard most of that weight is transfered to the two wheels on the side its leaning into. the otherside is lifting. the weight dosnt dissapear it transfers.

your bypases are set and valved to handle the 600 and 400 so youve overloaded those shocks and valving.

thats why it negates it. the sway bar actually transfers some of the weight back to the other side by not allowing it to lift and keeps it more planted. depending on the size or pressure the torsion bar is set for controls how much it will allow to transfer.

a light or small torsion bar allows more indepedent movement at the cost of increased lean less weight transfer. while a large or stiffer torsion bar suffers independent movement such as a caddy corner cross over a razor.

but transfers more weight or plants the other side thats lifting increasing your cornering ability.

and a taller more top heavier car with longer shocks of course needs more than a lower slung car. but the difference is substantial. when adding a sway bar it can make the taller car handle as good as the lower slung car without one.

my reason for asking about being undecided comes from the fact that theres not to many out there for buggies and if all they had was some cheap a$$ unit for hype i dont want one .so im asking making sure they are what they are supposed to be. which i can see is that they are making quality working swaybars

me personally im going for a mid sized bar to try to get a good balance.

there is more to it than that but that is the basics.

it is proven science not theory hope it helps

Edited August 29, 2007 by barefoot bob

[ynot]

i always knew the car leaned especially when i pull the cutting break, but i've never heard it called body roll. thanks for all the info Bob!

HMMM, What's a turning brake?

[barefoot bob]

HMMM, What's a turning brake?

see those double brake pedals on your tractor.................................................

[Sick Dayz]

no, sick days thought right .your forgetting about ladderal energy . if you take a low slung car such as the corvette nice low center of gravity look under it youll find a sway bar for the exact reasons described above

ogp makes a good point and they aid it somewhat but the ladderal energy cannot be compensated with valving

ill explain more a lil later back to "the sheild"..........................................

anywase hypotheticaly your car weighs 2000 lbs lets say. the front carries 400lbs at each wheel. the rear carries 600 per wheel .when the car leans hard most of that weight is transfered to the two wheels on the side its leaning into. the otherside is lifting. the weight dosnt dissapear it transfers.

your bypases are set and valved to handle the 600 and 400 so youve overloaded those shocks and valving.

thats why it negates it. the sway bar actually transfers some of the weight back to the other side by not allowing it to lift and keeps it more planted. depending on the size or pressure the torsion bar is set for controls how much it will allow to transfer.

a light or small torsion bar allows more indepedent movement at the cost of increased lean less weight transfer. while a large or stiffer torsion bar suffers independent movement such as a caddy corner cross over a razor.

but transfers more weight or plants the other side thats lifting increasing your cornering ability.

and a taller more top heavier car with longer shocks of course needs more than a lower slung car. but the difference is substantial. when adding a sway bar it can make the taller car handle as good as the lower slung car without one.

my reason for asking about being undecided comes from the fact that theres not to many out there for buggies and if all they had was some cheap a$$ unit for hype i dont want one .so im asking making sure they are what they are supposed to be. which i can see is that they are making quality working swaybars

me personally im going for a mid sized bar to try to get a good balance.

there is more to it than that but that is the basics.

it is proven science not theory hope it helps

So, let me see if I understand this correctly… Your saying that I shouldn’t use more than 15 psi in the rear tires?

[ynot]

see those double brake pedals on your tractor.................................................

Hmmm you mean the single pedal next to that clutch thingy?

[barefoot bob]

Hmmm you mean the single pedal next to that clutch thingy?

no silly your tractor is hydrostatic that lever on your left under the wheel is not a left blinker its fwd and reverse

those pedals are a brake for each tractor wheel.