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lol, my neck still hurts from those starts. Way to much traction on wet sand for that frame.

I just went and reviewed the videos again and here's what I noticed. You lost almost every race and the only races that you looked good in you got a good jump off the line and the banshee still ran you down. Also looked as most of the time the banshee didn't even relize you were gonna race untill you took off. How many videos do you have of equal starts where you just get hammered?

And where is your video proof of your mph on the LEFT side of the hill?????????? Yeah didn't think you wanted to record that. Don't drink and don't smoke.. so no problems there. All your video's show is you getting beat by banshees, tough day I know. You did beat a few, but we both know they weren't anything to brag about beating.

No video proof but I watched the gun... and yes 10mph slower 68-70 depending on how far on the right you started. No toys r us.. top of the line. The tripple snomo guy? lmoa, he was way out of his element(rigid). Out of all the fast bikes out there that bike would rank somewhere near the bottom(still ahead of you though). At the end of the day you guys still couldn't beat a 4mm..... Really? 1000cc's and nitrous and you can't beat the smallest drag bikes? It's not to late, you can always build a banshee and be competitive

And I hate to remind you.. just cause something looks fast doesn't mean it is. What kind of times does that thing run? You don't know... it just looks fast. Planet sand is the standard for flat track.. and the two strokes are still the fastest. Post some times before you talk about big boy world.

Allright this thread is gonna get interesting again I don't know how peg has 8K in that motor... should be able to build that motor around the 3k range. There really isn't that much to a 4mm. Cylinders/head,crank,cut tranny,pistons,porting,lockout and carbs. Not even close to 8k. Tons of used parts to buy....can do a good 4mm pretty cheap. Your guys bikes run good for what they are don't get me wrong.. but like I stated earlier in this thread, you should be able to beat the 4mm's but a even a good 4mm will beat you... proven I think. Yes you probably were catching peg towards the top, I also said before mph doesn't mean to much when it comes to street bikes.. cause it takes you so long to get there. I'm glad you have the drag fever now.. the more the better. 2strokes are still growing in hp, every season they get faster. How come you guys didn't come out to play late in the day when the big bikes were running?

Under my skin? Not hardly. Gonna take alot more then that. Remember were the ones with the faster bikes... I know it and you know it. That gets under your skin. :DDR: And these threads are nothing more then fun. Like I said before, arguing about racing on the internet is almost as much fun as actually racing.

I don't think the title of this thread says anything about duning does it? I like to dune also,that's why I have a sandrail. And no I don't think you will beat anything bigger then a 4mm. If it's a good 4 you won't even do that. Since the olympics are coming up let me phrase it so you can understand. Do you remember who won gold in the biathlon? No? me either.. But I remember who was the fastest on the planet. Banshees are usain bolt.... your....well... some guy out there in a race.

Silenced? lol... You really think your gonna beat anything bigger then a 4mm?

Nice vid... Now go make one where the big boys race. 70? maybe?

Sounds like a HAPPY ending for the banshees bruce thanks but no thanks!

1300..... Bruce you gonna win a race all weekend? just remember boys.... Fast bikes on the left, street bikes on the right. wouldn't want any feelings hurt.

Lol... you really want to know? it's more fun when you still think your bike is faster. I described my bike in another thread once and you stopped talking. Keep digging your hole!

Yes I've seen alot of sbpwrd bikes run.. alot. And "just as fast" isn't the perfect way to describe them. Sorry. It doesn't take a 10 mil to outrun you either, a well built 4mill will do the trick. And that's only a mid 400cc motor. Explain a 450cc beating your 1000cc motor? Yeah you might beat 95% of the bikes out there.. but only 10% of the drag bikes. And you won't give the "wacked" out banshee's a good run on your nos... you relize the "wacked" out banshee's hit the mph seen in those videos in about 3/4 of the distance. We run a shorter and steeper side of the hill and run mid 80's. That's the problem with street bike motors.. once they finnally get up to speed, the race is already over I'd like to see this bike that would beat any banshee... please build it.

If you don't have a turbo and a big nos bottle hanging form your bike then you probably wouldn't get many takers..not worth the effort. Run the right side? Try riding something that fast through the woops and you'd know why. I don't have a death wish. Somebody yelled stay off our side? really? Sounds like an a-hole.. have never heard that before. But maybe he didn't want you to get run over and hurt Almost all the drag guys are cool so the worries probably were not needed.. unless you were refering to the hill. You and Bruce should come and try to kick some banshee a$$... You'll get a few but most will send you back to the right side of the hill. Drag racing is fun, almost as much fun as arguing/talking about it on the internet.

Just as fast? lmao. What I really find funny is that you say you want the best all around bike.. So basically your gonna go to the hill and get spanked by the drag banshee's but beat the 4 strokes and slower banshee's and then go for a dune run and really not dune as well as a stock raptor. Best of both worlds or just kinda good at both? You want to drag race and be competitive...build a banshee, wanna go duning? Buy a raptor. I'm not trashing the street bike guys I would love to have one, but "just as fast" isn't really the right way to explain them.

What?

Hey pete where you guys camping at? I'd like to catch a few of those dune runs... that's if the shortstar can keep up

My gf and I took a vacation in june to the Dominican Republic and after reading about how poor the ppl were we decided to take up a donation at work and take down school supplies for kids. We got one of the guys that works at the hotel we stayed at to take us into the small town close by to a school and into the neighborhood to hand out stuff.. Everybody on here should be gratefull everyday for what we have.

Your right, lets ban the 2 strokes because they left some meth cans there. But right after that we have to ban beer drinkers cause most of the trash is beer cans/bottles. I'm pretty sure everybody on here picks up there trash... Sure hope you don't drink beer cause under your way of thinking you can't go to the dunes... along with alot of others.

That sucks man sorry to hear it.. Same thing happened to the gf's car about a month ago.

Smartass read the thread and you'll see we didn't get any tickets... And the ranger didn't have his hands full with us(we know how to have a conversation). I think what he is saying is that the the 4pokes were getting warnings and the fast bikes were getting tickets..sound fair to you? Really teach us a lesson... lol.

Well.. where to start. Special thanks to livetodrag and your crew for helping out getting unstuck!! You guys are awesome!! Thanks to guy with the ranger that helped.. very cool of you to help. And John from Sandtoyz thanks for helping getting the lights up the hill.. And of coarse mom and dad for everything Also thanks to everybody that donated because if it wasn't for that that the lights probably would of stayed in the trailer. To everybody else that drove past while we were trying to get the lights through the sand.... I had to work untill 5 so my parents decided they would load the lights up in there trailer and head down early so it wouldn't be a rush when I got off work to get down there and get the lights set up... When they got there the entrance was full of ppl stuck. So as good duners they stoped and helped with getting ppl unstuck.. That's what we do as duners right? help each other out... But apperently once your out, F everybody behind you that helped you get unstuck and hurry up and get to the hill. So when I got there my truck was stuck, livetodrag was stuck trying to get the lights across and ppl were just driving right past on there way to the hill. So after about 2 hours of pushing and pulling and breaking stuff... the lights made it to the hill.... hope everybody enjoyed the lights because it's the last time we will be bringing them. Whenever we're there and we see somebody stuck or in need of help we bend over backwards trying to help because it's the right thing to do and as duners we know we're all gonna need help eventually... well it was our turn to need some help and all we saw was taillights except for livetodrag's crew and the guy with the ranger.. livetodrag, thanks again for everything and if you ever need anything... just ask.

I'm glad you said "some"......

I work out there and I have to take that way every sunday just to get to work. If you know where your going it's easy. There's also a dirt road on the Whiskey petes side that runs next to I15 that's legal to drive down. It's a rough road but it beats sitting in trafic for an extra hour staring at cali plates. If your ever stuck like that again stop in and have a beer, I'm a bartender out there.