I understand how you guys feel. I remember (before they closed the desert off) we used to 4x4 all over the place out the. Even climbed to the top of one of those mountains, where the park is now, up a quad trail in a Blazer. Used to use all the dirt roads where your house is now Pete as a way to get out there. Then they started to build, and build, and build. Took it all away. Some of the most amazing times of my life were spend out there in them there hills. Even have pic’s to prove it. But alas, no more. So they build the park! Well, we couldn’t go out there in motorized vehicles anyway. With that said, what the Hell. Might as well do something with the land and give the state yet another way to waste our money. I guess people feel the need to feel like they have a safe place to stroll and take their little mutes. I was really, really pissed when they started build all those houses and shut us out of the desert. But what really pisses me off is the fact the people go out there anyway, dump their trash. One dude and his drunken buddies let of a bomb (or something that sounded like one) :blah: Anyway, I do feel your pain Pete.