I rode racnjasen's Suzuki 450 this weekend in the dunes just for a little bit and I have to say I was pretty impressed. The bike rides pretty nice, is very stable, and has tons of power. I am talking about in the dunes now, ya know, where it matters most. I couldn't care less about the hill. It's didn't have the low end grunt of torque like my Raptor has, but it made up for it on the top end. They are a pretty nice bike.