SAND~~SNAKE Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 (edited) I recently bought a new infared grill, I love it! I had to exchange my propane tank, because it was out of date and they would not refill it. So I exchanged it and got one of these new bottles and found that after using it 2 times it does not flow enough gas to the burners and the bottle was still full. So I took it back and exchanged it for another and now have the same problem again. I read that if you throw it up in the air on your lawn it will unstick the float or what ever the hell makes this thing not work. My old bottle never did this. Does anyone know how to correct this problem? Edited April 22, 2009 by SAND~~SNAKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINNER Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 just a shot in the dark but try opening the valve real slow, instead of just cranking it open. this happend to me a couple of times and it happened to smokin al at the regatta. there is a flow check valve type deal in the regulator, and it sometimes activates when the gas flows through the line. basically all your burners will look like they are on low even when they are on hi, if its restricted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Shoot it with a small cal gun, that will get it flowing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Agent Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 just a shot in the dark but try opening the valve real slow, instead of just cranking it open. this happend to me a couple of times and it happened to smokin al at the regatta. there is a flow check valve type deal in the regulator, and it sometimes activates when the gas flows through the line. basically all your burners will look like they are on low even when they are on hi, if its restricted. I have nothing worth adding to this post!! - I have nothing worth adding to this post!! - x2 If that fails go to COSTCO, get a new tank and only have it filled, not exchanged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cheese Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 a propane dealer here in bako gave me some good information when i brought him a tank he told me was out of date..... take all the outside stickers and paper off with a wire brush...as well as any rust, if rust exists on your tank smooth it out with some sand paper or a sanding block...getcha a can of white spray paint, and paint that b!(@h!!! no one has said anything about it since then either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegashd Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Shoot it with a small cal gun, that will get it flowing! :kitty: It cannot be a larger caliber gun? I have brought some beat up tanks in to be filled and NEVER had a problem. I do know a small crack in the hose can literally cause a burner to not light at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1208 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 sorry to hear that that must suck......but i never had any problem with my grill or tank,but i am getting good tips if it ever does happen... :shoot: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxysandchick Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 just a shot in the dark but try opening the valve real slow, instead of just cranking it open. this happend to me a couple of times and it happened to smokin al at the regatta. there is a flow check valve type deal in the regulator, and it sometimes activates when the gas flows through the line. basically all your burners will look like they are on low even when they are on hi, if its restricted. Tried that..also tried leaving it open all the time and it still sticks. The check valve is the problem and yes it makes all the burners look like they are on low. Trying to figure out how to keep that valve from sticking is the trick. So far throwing the tank in the air and letting it hit the ground is the only thing that has been working, but it sucks having to take it out eveytime we want to grill. I have nothing worth adding to this post!! - I have nothing worth adding to this post!! - x2 If that fails go to COSTCO, get a new tank and only have it filled, not exchanged. Been through 2 new tanks...they both did it . a propane dealer here in bako gave me some good information when i brought him a tank he told me was out of date..... take all the outside stickers and paper off with a wire brush...as well as any rust, if rust exists on your tank smooth it out with some sand paper or a sanding block...getcha a can of white spray paint, and paint that b!(@h!!! no one has said anything about it since then either Already got rid of the old one and have been through 2 new tanks with the same problem on both of them. I think the guy said something about the expired one exploding and we didn't want to end up with an explosion like Wingy :shoot: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justme Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 WOW I just cant believe this!!! Believe it or not there is a very good reason for the recertification of pressure vessels, like propane tanks and compresser tanks etc. THEY BECOME SHRAPPNEL FLINGING BOMBS IF THEY FAIL UNDER PRESSURE!!!!! and cause fires that kill when they dont contain the product due to old valves and rusted steel. HELLO!! The rust is a sign of the tank rotting away, So just sand it down and paint. Yea right, I hope me and my family are not near your tanks when they fail and explode or start a fire. For people to suggest that all you have to do is sand and repaint a tank and your good to go. is stupid and very dangerous, oh and the stickers dont contain the exp. date, the date is stamped directly in the tank, and the people responsible for filling tanks are suppose to check this date before filling, but not very many do. This so called propane guy is a dumba$$ for telling you to do this to have a tank refilled if it is out of date. It is rather simple to have a tank inspected and recertified if it is worthy of recertification. People should be held responsible for giving bad and dangerous advice, but they are not, and people trust them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Cheese Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 WOW I just cant believe this!!! Believe it or not there is a very good reason for the recertification of pressure vessels, like propane tanks and compresser tanks etc. THEY BECOME SHRAPPNEL FLINGING BOMBS IF THEY FAIL UNDER PRESSURE!!!!! and cause fires that kill when they dont contain the product due to old valves and rusted steel. HELLO!! The rust is a sign of the tank rotting away, So just sand it down and paint. Yea right, I hope me and my family are not near your tanks when they fail and explode or start a fire. For people to suggest that all you have to do is sand and repaint a tank and your good to go. is stupid and very dangerous, oh and the stickers dont contain the exp. date, the date is stamped directly in the tank, and the people responsible for filling tanks are suppose to check this date before filling, but not very many do. This so called propane guy is a dumba$$ for telling you to do this to have a tank refilled if it is out of date. It is rather simple to have a tank inspected and recertified if it is worthy of recertification. People should be held responsible for giving bad and dangerous advice, but they are not, and people trust them. so then why does the industry make them out of steel and not aluminum then? im just sayin funny how my air compressor tank never rusts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertskyz Posted April 21, 2009 Share Posted April 21, 2009 I never turn my tank all of the way on. I just give it one twist and call it good. I'm I to understand that doing this could cause it to back flame and blow up. :ah: Then what the heck is the regulator for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justme Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 so then why does the industry make them out of steel and not aluminum then? im just sayin funny how my air compressor tank never rusts In response to your question, Why steel and not aluminum. probably cost of aluminum versus steel and durability, steel harder, aluminum softer. These propane tanks can see alot of banging around, more so in industrial use. As far as your compressor tank , They rust from the inside. Thats why it is very improtant to drain the water out often. That is one of the hidden dangers of compressor tanks especialy those in peoples garages, Where they may not be maintained properly, I use pressure vessels daily in my work They must be inspected and certified yearly by CAL OSHA and MSHA. ( Mining saftey and health administration ). And if not maintained properly can be lethal. I've seen the results of a vessel failure under pressure it aint pretty. Hence why they(people that fill your tanks) are required to check the exp. date on the tank But again most dont. kinda scary if you ask me. Propane tanks only rust form the outside, Never the inside and thats only if you dont keep them in good shape and painted. The paint is not there for looks it is the barrier between the air and the steel, We've all seen how fast unpainted steel rusts. After maybe years of service and if left to rust, steel gets thinner and if you sand and scrape what is it you think your removing, The Steel thickness. They only last so long people, bite the bullet and replace old tanks or get them properly inspected and recertified Sorry about the hijack of the thread, but when I read what that propane person told you I was floored to say the least. People really dont know all the dangers associated with pressure vessels and i just had to speak up. They really can be deadly !!!!! Best Regards, Roy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justme Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I never turn my tank all of the way on. I just give it one twist and call it good. I'm I to understand that doing this could cause it to back flame and blow up. :ah: Then what the heck is the regulator for? Under normal operating conditions it is not possible for the flame to return to the tank, Regardless of valve postion, that is part of the regulators job. although theoretically anything is possible. The practice of turning the valve one turn comes from Industry and the reason being is if you have to turn off the supply in a emergency it is only one turn to get it done. The farther you turn the valve on makes no difference in pressure, the regulators control pressure. It is a good practice your using, If you ever have to turn off your gas supply quickly again it is only one turn to get it done. keep doing it that way, but I would'nt worry about this back flame thing as long as your equipment is in good working order. Best Regards, Roy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlaskan Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Under normal operating conditions it is not possible for the flame to return to the tank, Regardless of valve postion, that is part of the regulators job. although theoretically anything is possible. The practice of turning the valve one turn comes from Industry and the reason being is if you have to turn off the supply in a emergency it is only one turn to get it done. The farther you turn the valve on makes no difference in pressure, the regulators control pressure. It is a good practice your using, If you ever have to turn off your gas supply quickly again it is only one turn to get it done. keep doing it that way, but I would'nt worry about this back flame thing as long as your equipment is in good working order. Best Regards, Roy Thats makes a ton of sense. But when I was welding in highschool they always told us to open the acetalyne tank completely to the open stop because it seats on both sides, closed and open, to further prevent atmospheric leaks. Wouldn't that hold true to Propane tanks as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justme Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) Thats makes a ton of sense. But when I was welding in highschool they always told us to open the acetalyne tank completely to the open stop because it seats on both sides, closed and open, to further prevent atmospheric leaks. Wouldn't that hold true to Propane tanks as well? It holds true for any valve,including propane tank valves, they do seat at both ends. actually sometimes better than if only partly opened but there is something wrong if it does'nt seal at any point in its radius. I know a few professional welders and not one of them turns the acetalyne to open stop. No one wants to be standing in fire while trying to stop the flow. when one turn will put out the fire, if that is the case. Best Regards, Roy Edited April 22, 2009 by Justme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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