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It's listed at the top of the post. $650.00

According to the LEO's and team captains that I know, they had a permit from the BLM and permission to park on Dumont Dunes Road.

Nice spring packs Pat. They almost look new. The new hangers look good. I'm sure they will smooth the ride inside the trailer. When I did my spring hangers, they didn't have this setup for triple axel trailers.

Terry, "A copy of their signed volunteer agreement"? Will we get this at the signup location? I don't remember this for past cleanups. Doesn't matter to me as I have a yearly holiday pass. Will BLM pass on the hot dogs, chips and drink?? Thanks for all your efforts Terry!!! They are appreciated! Bob

Thanks for all your hard work and the update! Bob

Hi Terry, don't mean to bug you, but was there anything of interest at the BLM meeting? Thanks, Bob

Hi Terry. I know it's a little early, but - - - - - anything worthwhile at the BLM meeting today? Thanks for your service to our sport!!

Newly, do you know where and when this incident happened?

Terry, I'm hearing lots of crickets. Has anyone expressed any interest?

Bruce, I'm not sure where you are going with this new thread. Your post seeks input about law enforcement, and has an underlying tone of "I want to hear all the negative input I can". Maybe that's not what you intended to say, however, IMHO that's the way I read it. You crashed several months ago and were supportive of the LE efforts to help you. What happened? The original BPGuy post was only soliciting support for upcoming cuts to the BP and requested those in support to sign a petition. There was never any mention that LE is the most dangerous job in America. We never said we were "Gods" and not subject to having bad cops in our ranks. It does happen and the process to ferret out these rogues is quite fair and through. I really doubt any explanation of the process would satisfy you, or others with your belief that LE is overpaid and corrupt. No matter what evidence is presented to you, you will not believe it. Those with this mindset believe there is a conspiracy to conceal the truth in all high profile situations. With the posts you have put up, it wouldn't surprise me if you thought the moon landing was a hoax. Could you please explain your agenda?

You later post you are not trying to cause trouble. If that is the case, why do you post "you must make big bank, maybe you guys are over paid a little"? What is your profession Bansheeider? Could you do Tim's job?

Bruce, have you ever proofread your posts?? The negativity and contempt you exude in your rantings, to me, shows your disdain, and lack of understanding for the requirements of law enforcement. Yes, there are more dangerous professions. Would you qualify to be a law enforcement officer?? Hopefully you are not in a dangerous job requiring you to put your life on the line to protect others. Thankfully, there are those of us who chose to enter the field of law enforcement! We're very proud of our service and realize not everyone is capable of performing the stressful duties required. You state, "that so called lunatic was created by law enforcement and will be covered up by the same", referring to Christopher Dorner. "Created by law enforcement"? What the heck are you talking about!? "Covered up"? You are so misinformed about the facts in this case, you have no "standing" (court term), to comment on them! Get a clue Bruce, you don't know what your are commenting about and need to back out! Could you put yourself in Tim's place and performed the duties depicted in the above photos?

Tim, reread the e-mail I sent you earlier. I think my assessment was on target! Bob

Terry, I agree with you 100%!!

Terry and Pete. My fingers don't type fast enough and I read your responses right after I hit the post icon on my post. Terry, thanks for your input on the naming of the Banshee Boys. I still stand by my concerns about contacts between law enforcement and the users of Dumont Dunes. We need to get together and air our differences!

Wasn't going to say anything, but - - - - . I think Bruce has a point here! Thinking back to the BLM meeting Tuesday. Nobody really wanted to hear the law enforcement concerns I tried to bring up. Sorry Terry, but what is the reputation the Banshee Boys have? I haven't heard it, but then again I pilot a rail. If I and six or seven Sandrockets line up at Banshee or comp, is that an "unauthorized" gathering? Please Terry, I'm not attacking you or BLM, just asking. Did the Banshee Boys advertise the event? Was it officiated? Prizes? Or was it just a "cherry patch" to pick? Being in law enforcement for many years I wonder, what about probable cause? Ok, I realize that LE can randomly walk about and the adage that "the eyes cannot trespass". They can look at the VINS and off-road stickers and develop their PC. If PC is found they can further their investigation, but - - - - why are they targeting this specific group? I don't know, I wasn't there. Maybe they went over to comp hill and did the same thing, I don't know. Has there been a problem at Dumont with non-registered OHV's and quads? This was something I wanted to explore at the BLM meeting, but - - - - as the facilitator (not you Terry) said, "we need to move along with the agenda". Law enforcement at Dumont is a necessary evil. The users of the dunes can't just think they can come to the dunes and do what they please! There are rules, laws and regulations to protect all of the users. However, there need to be guide lines for LE and a common sense approach. I've never seen the two BLM Rangers in the Neil Rideout photo. Where did they come from?? I've heard some not so flattering statements about Las Vegas BLM personnel and their attitude about the dunes. OK, I'm about done with this rant. One of the concerns I wanted to bring up at the BLM meeting was inter-relations and contacts between law enforcement and the users of the dunes. This might have been a good example of the friction between the two. I strongly believe a meeting between BLM, SBSD and other law enforcement agencies needs to take place and we can air our concerns, differences and thoughts to make our dunning experience more positive! In order to do this, the users of Dumont Dunes need to step up to the plate and participate!!

Terry, are you going to comment??? Oh, and by the way, I thought you were going to call me today!

There were two descriptions of the truck listed in the information released to law enforcement, one blue, one gray. Plates had been changed. Pete, you're still entitled to your opinion, but you don't know the facts and are speculating on what you think you know. Positive ID before shooting? Sure, wait till the truck gets close enough for the suspect to kill you if he happens to be in the truck. Could the two in the truck have been killed? Of course, but again, you were not there and don't know the circumstances, actions of the victims or the mindset, let alone the actions of the two in the truck. You already have the LAPD tried and convicted in your mind. Happy to see you and others with a similar mindset are not in law enforcement. Taking your post personal? Maybe I am, but then again, I'm looking at it from a different perspective. Come on by our camp on the bluff on President's Day and we'll have a beer. I'm sure I won't change your mind, and I won't even try, but we can still be cordial. One thing I learned in three decades of law enforcement, everyone has an opinion. Bob

Wow Pete, I'm surprised at your knee-jerk reaction to this. I usually wouldn't respond to a post like this, but - - - - . Look at the circumstances of this shooting. I have questions about it also, and i'm not defending it, but you have to take into consideration all of the factors involved. A high-ranking LAPD officer, listed on Dorner's manifesto, lives within a block of the shooting. LAPD was doing a protective surveillance on the street and a truck, resembling Dorner's, comes down the street with it's lights out. The truck basically matched the original description of Dorner's, a light blue midsize Titan. I don't know what transpired next, but you have to take into consideration, we weren't there. What was the mindset of the officers? Was there a furtive move by the truck or the occupants? Three people had already been murdered by Dorner. A potential target lived within sight of the LAPD officers. I don't know what I would do, NEITHER YOU NOR I WERE THERE! We are only going by the information provided by the news media and the pictures of the street and vehicle. I've heard some say, "look at all the bullet holes, why did they have to shoot so many times"? Keep in mind, two rounds of OO Buck would leave 18 holes in that vehicle. Even neighbors in the area said they only heard two short volleys of gunfire, not a large scale firefight. Before anyone has to ask, yes, I was a LEO. I retired after 30 years in Orange County. I believe in the system and I believe in due process. It may not be the best system, but it usually works, and I can't think of a better way too ferret out the truth. To those of you who feel a need to voice your opinion, feel free to do so. It's your first amendment right! I also support and carry out my second amendment right. For those who say this is "absolute BS" and "Un-freakin-real", I can only say, walk a mile in their shoes and weigh the facts over the speculation, and have a little faith in the system! I can only wonder how you would have reacted under the same circumstances.

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Doesn't this violate DDR site policy?

Is that you Charlie?? Didn't recognize you Get better real soon, Rocket & Booster.

Hi Skyz. Carolyn says you've got her beat on the scar!! No contest!! Get better real quick, Rocket & Booster.

Hi Skyz!! Get better real soon. Next time at Dumont you can compare scars with Carolyn. She had a right knee replacement three months ago and is at rehab as I type this. Hope to see you soon. Rocket and Booster

Eddy is right in that we cannot stereotype the people who trash our dunes by race (or the region they live). I guess the best we can do, aside from education, is to police (pick up the trash) the areas around our camps for trash to the best of our ability. In response to Terry's post, taking pictures of the offenders might "scare the hell out of them", but remember, many of them carry protection (guns) in their camps just as many of us do!! I'm not saying don't do it, just be careful! As for the BLM following up on a complaint regarding littering in the campground, this is a not a felony crime and must be witnessed by a LEO or a citizen's arrest initiated. Good luck with getting a LEO for the citizen's arrest at the offender's campsite. If BLM did act on information provided by anyone witnessing a violation, they would have to forward the information the the County DA's office for followup and prosecution. Good luck with that for a litter violation. SANDAWG is right, these people are brain dead, and most likely not on this forum! Terry, I don't go to Comp at night for the same reasons as you. I guess the only viable solution is for the responsible duners, like those who follow DDR, is to be responsible and do the right thing in the dunes by trying to spread the word to take your trash out with you. Personal cleanups after ANY weekend can only benefit our right to recreate in the dunes and/or off-road areas.