I have to agree with Woody and SailAway the BLM has issued a spread sheet of all the expenses for Dumont to the board that is how they know where there going to be next year, and just like a auditor the info he will have it to complex and it is very hard to relate in a forum fashion. All I can say is it is there on the table for all to see at these meetings and you can look at it and ask questions because there will be a lot of there, there was for me that’s why I started going myself.