if you go to any off road races the 9 cars and some sportsman cars are pretty basic. this champ car class i plan to run in is a budget class set up to be able to use some older race cars that are no longer being raced in the class they used to. naturally for 3 grand the car would have to be gone through to get race ready. but it would have been a good start rather than build from scratch. i have seen plenty of 9 and sportsman cars for sale for 5 grand or less. the line i had on this car fell through. the guys brother apparently took it so im back to my original plan. i have a frame, motor, and suspension to get it rolling. need a trans and all the little stuff to complete. :mc_smiley: hey midnight. i sent you a pm. Big D said you may have a 002 bus trans you might sell. let me know.