GD.com

[vegas style]

maybe it might be a sponsorship thing. it would take another ddr member to sponsor a new comer? and staff could have the right to enter people at will and maybe drop inactive people after a year or 18 months...............................

anyway as it is now lets just make sure it doesnt change

:ahhhhh:

[EY3BA11]

it might get that big but I will never charge members to use this site..

[dunefreak]

it might get that big but I will never charge members to use this site..

neither will I

[SandBox_Kid]

Just another example of how wrong everything is with that site and Glamis. "Have a slappy day"!!!!

Dude, you are now in the club. Here's your badge!!

If it's free....it's for me. No way am I paying for GD.....

[Grimace]

I agree with DDR. :dance:

That is rediculous. Things over there are way out of control.

I really really hope DDR will stay a respectable site. I don't think the peeps here would ever let it get like that.

THANK GOD FOR A GREAT STAFF. (that doesn't charge) WOW!!!!

[sandseeker]

GD.com is just like the most of the people at Glamis azzholes.

By the way have I said

[Don29palms]

I need to retire so would it be okay if I started charging a membership fee for DDR?

I live a very modest lifestyle so I only would need $2.95 per member each month.

Edited April 10, 2007 by Don29palms

[Grimace]

I think if I could get 13,972 people to give me $5.95 each every month I'd never have to work another day in my life. That would be $83,133.40 a month. That would be $997,600.80 annually.

:dance: Anyone want to be a member of my own club? It's just gonna cost $5.95 a month!

WOW!!!

That right there is ^^^^^^^^

It's become a political site. Next thing you know there will be voting.

**** NO CLASS IN GD ****

Hey Don do you need a partner!!!!

Edited April 10, 2007 by Grimace

[Randog]

:dance:

Yeah, that fee sounds like a "Slap to the Brotherhood"

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Hey

Watch it Grimace, we vote here on DDR.

[Grimace]

Yeah but not as a commitee try to steal from the members.

We vote for cool things etc... Not political.

That should be a free site. Now I know why I NEVER got on GD.com

That is effin stupid.

[~JILL~]

Nah, Ill pass also. I don't have to pay to see the chee chee's, got my own. Need a full length mirror to see'em though. Don't need more politics, got that on T.V. Don't need the "click" either got the family and friends for that. As for the fun and entertainment

well--------------------we got DDR!!!!!!

ONCE AGAIN PETE AND THE REST OF YOU, THANK YOU. YOU DO A REALLY GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!

Edited April 10, 2007 by BALL-N-CHAIN

[barefoot bob]

that mess over there is whats wrong with glamis eff them there all idiots

[duniemonkie]

That FNG guy is unbelievable! When people mention things that bug them, all he can say is that they've never complained before; so what? Now the complaint is invalid?

And he never answers how much the advertising income pays for!

If DUMONT needs something we will do a donation account, just like the cleanup.

This site hasn't gone the way of GD.com because of all of you. Thanks for your willingness to follow the rules, volunteer to moderate, and keeping your posts/avatars friendly.

[Danielle]

ONCE AGAIN PETE AND THE REST OF YOU, THANK YOU. YOU DO A REALLY GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!

You guy's should feel pretty good about yourself's for the site you have created,and the respect and concern and friendship that people have formed on your site.I went on there site before I joined your's and could only read as much as it would allow me.And basically I felt I was right back into my school years in the southern Ca.Trashy,no class,clicks,and just bunch of young punks just sounding off.One big party of kid's/adults who have never grown up.Don't get me wrong having a good time and parting is fine but being responsible about it is what allot of those people lack.I only do hope that some of those GD. users don't come and join DDR and destroy the respect out of this site.

I am sure I can speak for all of us ,Thanks once again for your creativity and all your hard work you guy's put into this site.Pete,Nick,Anna,Gerald,J.J,and T.

And thanks to everyone who always seems to make all of us laugh

[SandBox_Kid]

I go there for tech advice.....

[Duneraider]

When DDR first went online we offered to help with the costs but Pete said it was cool, he was handling it ok.

But we still would help with the costs here, it's a good site.

I can see helping with $$ if he needs it, nothing is free, but a pay to play site takes away the character.

Everyone has done a really good job running this site, DDR hasn't formed cliq's or mobs and it was really teriffic to see how many DDR's showed up in Barstow for the meeting with the BLM.

I can name several once good web forums that de-generated from their orig premise into pay for porn which is usually the direction they go when they hit ya with fees.

The first loss is all the girls leave through the closest exit and never come back, and only the creeps and idiots are left.

Edited April 11, 2007 by Duneraider

[1BADYFZ]

Your $5.95 a month Premium Membership gives you:

They tried this on PlanetSand and took it down the next week..cmon 5 dollars a month..

[SailAway]

This may be a long one so please bear with me...

I'm glad to find this being discussed here... I wondered what other people "outside the inner circle" might think of what was going on over at GlamisDunes. It's hard to tell what is real over there and what is not... there seems to be a lot of posturing but very little else, from all sides.

Let me say this before I go on... anyone who knows me knows that I also play in Glamis sand and that I run a Glamis-focused organization called DUNERS. It's a small group, politically active, with no "strings" attached to the BLM or any other Glamis-focused organization. And, anyone who knows me also knows that I am very vocal about the current state of Glamis affairs which more often than not puts me at odds with the El Centro BLM office and other Glamis-focused organizations. Although I've fallen off a bit lately, I used GlamisDunes often in my crusade to right the wrongs at Glamis, as I felt it offered a good sampling of the duning community.

That being said, when I first read that GlamisDunes was going to start charging their members for certain privileges, I was shocked and dismayed. Not so much at charging for things like posting an ad... that's pretty common practice anymore on some of the bigger sites, as I learned 2 years ago when selling my golf cart. More, I was dismayed at the option of access to a new area called Girls of Glamis or something like that. I am very much against exploiting Glamis for things like Glamis Gone Wild and certainly wouldn't put any money towards having access to such a thing. Thankfully that new area was dropped like a hot potato, almost before the thought was fully formed.

The other "perks" are meaningless to me and, I'm pretty sure, to the average user over there. I have never seen the attraction of the MILF forum and although I posted some pretty decent HILF pictures in the HILF forum, it's been a very long time since I've been in there and certainly wouldn't miss it. Rep points? A silly concept in my opinion and couldn't care less if they stay or go, same with tagging. There are other 'perks' but all in all it doesn't seem like much in the way of changes to deal with, or pay for, not for me at least.

By the way... I am a premium member. Not because I paid for it, which I did not... it was granted to me partly because of my role as a pro-access leader and also because of moderating a newly-formed DUNERS forum. I truly could not care less one way or another about being a premium member and was quite surprised to see my name in purple. *shrug*

So where did my shock and dismay go? Passed. I took a day away from it, read just about each and every post that was posted on the subject and gave it some good hard thought.

Could the new "premium package" have been unveiled in a better way? You bet. The facts support the action... the buy and sell forum is a big deal to the members but it also eats up a lot of bandwith, not to mention time dealing with the friggen spammers and hackers. Charging to post an ad is an extremely efficient way to keep out the spammers. And there were complaints about the MILF and HILF sections being available to children, but there were also a lot of people taking a peek, and often. Charging to peek is an efficient way to keep them on the down-low but not out of reach entirely.

Will premium memberships make the administrators a ton of money? Not a chance. 90% of what is used the most is still free to the non-paying user. Once the initial shock wears off there will still be as much post-whoring and whine-and-cheezing as ever, and premium memberships will die off.

What does worry me is seeing things like "DDR will NEVER [do this or that]." Never is such a harsh word and no one ever knows what will happen in the future. I remember watching other people's kids misbehave and saying "I will NEVER allow my child to act that way" until suddenly I was raising a child who acted exactly that way. :blush: Never say never, is my point.

DDR is a great site full of great people.

It is not GD.com or DumontSandDunes.com or GlamisInfo.com or any of the other dozen or so dune-related websites. It is Dumont Dune Riders and it does what it does best for the people it services.

Staying true to that won't always be easy and change is inevitable.

Changing gracefully is an art.

Learn from other people's mistakes :blush: and be graceful.

Vicki

Edited April 10, 2007 by SailAway

[EY3BA11]

What does worry me is seeing things like "DDR will NEVER [do this or that]." Never is such a harsh word and no one ever knows what will happen in the future. I remember watching other people's kids misbehave and saying "I will NEVER allow my child to act that way" until suddenly I was raising a child who acted exactly that way. :blush: Never say never, is my point.

DDR is a great site full of great people.

Vicki

Guess i need to chime in on this. DDR was formed by a great fella with an awesome idea. A Very informational site about dumont dunes that would be a free public service to its users. Having moderated, administrated, created a ton of other forums in the past i dont expect ANYTHING from our members. If our members ever want to pitch in great.. Just pitch in by helping other duners or by helping out dumont in some way. I do not expect to recieve any form of compensation for running this wonderful site nor do i expect contributions to cover running costs. This is my way of saying THANK YOU for everyone who does an awesome job keeping dumont as beautiful and clean and respected as it is. You are right NEVER is a pretty harsh word i guess i should it should be worded "I will not charge any one person to use this forum as a form of personal gain!"

As the math was done earlier if every member on GD paid the 5.95 a month thats almost 1million dollars a year! granted that will never happen but even then with their paid sponsorships (which more than enough cover the running costs) You know alot of that money is going in someones pocket. They might say ohh its going back into the dunes or back into the members but how... They have no way of showing how the funds are deligated.. I for one would love to know how much of that goes towards Administrative costs.. Look at some of the other Non Profit orginizations and how high their administrative costs are vs how much actually goes to the cause.

Ok

[Don29palms]

Guess i need to chime in on this. DDR was formed by a great fella with an awesome idea. A Very informational site about dumont dunes that would be a free public service to its users. Having moderated, administrated, created a ton of other forums in the past i dont expect ANYTHING from our members. If our members ever want to pitch in great.. Just pitch in by helping other duners or by helping out dumont in some way. I do not expect to recieve any form of compensation for running this wonderful site nor do i expect contributions to cover running costs. This is my way of saying THANK YOU for everyone who does an awesome job keeping dumont as beautiful and clean and respected as it is. You are right NEVER is a pretty harsh word i guess i should it should be worded "I will not charge any one person to use this forum as a form of personal gain!"

As the math was done earlier if every member on GD paid the 5.95 a month thats almost 1million dollars a year! granted that will never happen but even then with their paid sponsorships (which more than enough cover the running costs) You know alot of that money is going in someones pocket. They might say ohh its going back into the dunes or back into the members but how... They have no way of showing how the funds are deligated.. I for one would love to know how much of that goes towards Administrative costs.. Look at some of the other Non Profit orginizations and how high their administrative costs are vs how much actually goes to the cause.

Ok

Well said Nick! :blush:

[dunefreak]

ok my turn now. :no_no:

What does worry me is seeing things like "DDR will NEVER [do this or that]." Never is such a harsh word and no one ever knows what will happen in the future. I remember watching other people's kids misbehave and saying "I will NEVER allow my child to act that way" until suddenly I was raising a child who acted exactly that way. Never say never, is my point.

DDR is a great site full of great people.

It is not GD.com or DumontSandDunes.com or GlamisInfo.com or any of the other dozen or so dune-related websites. It is Dumont Dune Riders and it does what it does best for the people it services.

Staying true to that won't always be easy and change is inevitable.

Changing gracefully is an art. :blush:

Learn from other people's mistakes and be graceful.

Vicki

Vicki I completely understand your points. I agree. Staying true to how we feel about this site gets harder and harder the more it grows. I never realized what I was getting myself into when I started the site. I can't believe it has gotten this big already. I remember Nick and I watching the monthly growth back when we had 100, then 200, then 300 members, etc.... . Yes it is a battle and is hard work at times, but I think we have some really good people as adimns, moderators, and last but not least members on our side that will help keep it a great site even as we grow. I refuse to let the size of the site or any person corrupt what we have worked so hard to create and maintain.

If for some reason bandwidth and server space became an issue, Nick and I still don't plan on ever charging a member to use the forum or website. In my eyes that right there (charging a member) would be enough to destroy a website on it's own.

Guess i need to chime in on this. DDR was formed by a great fella with an awesome idea. A Very informational site about dumont dunes that would be a free public service to its users. Having moderated, administrated, created a ton of other forums in the past i dont expect ANYTHING from our members. If our members ever want to pitch in great.. Just pitch in by helping other duners or by helping out dumont in some way. I do not expect to recieve any form of compensation for running this wonderful site nor do i expect contributions to cover running costs. This is my way of saying THANK YOU for everyone who does an awesome job keeping dumont as beautiful and clean and respected as it is. You are right NEVER is a pretty harsh word i guess i should it should be worded "I will not charge any one person to use this forum as a form of personal gain!"

As the math was done earlier if every member on GD paid the 5.95 a month thats almost 1million dollars a year! granted that will never happen but even then with their paid sponsorships (which more than enough cover the running costs) You know alot of that money is going in someones pocket. They might say ohh its going back into the dunes or back into the members but how... They have no way of showing how the funds are deligated.. I for one would love to know how much of that goes towards Administrative costs.. Look at some of the other Non Profit orginizations and how high their administrative costs are vs how much actually goes to the cause.

Ok :blush:

Well said Nick. Now do the dance... :dance:

[Headinjury]

Wow.

[EY3BA11]

come on shawn get your i know you wanna chime in..

[Luvdunes]

I checked out GD and DDR. I was really confused by GD and felt that if you weren't in the click you weren't welcome.

I was on DDR and reading for a long time before I joined, lots of info and people made you feel welcome. I really appreciate all of the work everyone does to make it a place to go to find out about the greatest place to ride.

Thank you DDR! :wedgie: !

[duniemonkie]

Does anyone know how they came up with $5.95 a month? As opposed to $15 or $2 a month? To make this easier to swallow for the members, GD should post a list showing where the money from advertisers and members goes. If I saw that my money was paying off the bills for the site or went directly to the dunes, I would probably pay.