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http://www.inyocounty.us/Sheriff/Press_Rel...t_Operation.pdf http://www.inyoregister.com/content/view/121480/1/ http://news.sierrawave.net/eastern-sierra-...copa-litterbugs

50CAL is going to be at clean up....wonder if he is going to leave his trash for us to pick up and dump his :poop: tanks there too.

It only takes a couple people to make everyone look bad :ahhhhh: .

^^^ Nice riding boots

Carson Rebel 14ft~ 3200lbs Carson Fun Runner/Titan 16ft~ 3400lbs Forest River Work and Play 16ft~ 4000lbs Weekend Warrior Super Cross 16-18ft~ 4000lbs There's a couple options available, but finding one at a good price . Enclosed trailer with an air mattress and a portable geni...

Woohoo me and Ashley are going to be cruzin through them dunes . Congrats, can't wait to see it finished.

Happy Birthday Tim!

Yes that is what it all says . I'm not saying it is legal, the info on the law I provided says it is. I didn't misunderstand, you said that CCW info was linked with DMV info, if a cop runs your plate he will know if you have a CCW...that is not correct, that is the information I verified with Metro. CCW info is available on the computer, but it is accessed through a completely seperate search that the cop has to do and is specific to NV. I followed up to that info to make sure that in CA they could not access your CCW or gun registration info, because if like you said and it was linked in with a license plate query then all other states would also have access to that info. The rest wasn't directed to you..I completely agree with you... in regards to cops performing illegal searches in NV and Cali, guess what...they have always done it and are going to continue to do it! Why, because they get away with it and they get away with it because people do not educate themselves on the law and how to deal with LE and protect their rights...and how many ever do anything about it, not many. So, there are steps you can take to protect yourself from unreasonable and illegal searches by LE in both NV and CA and that is the info I was sharing. I agree, everything the cops are doing in Tecopa is complete BS, but is anyone who was affected going to do anything about it or it is just going to keep happening?? Like I said, what if any of you are the person who gets harrassed in Tecopa and you don't know that what the cops are doing is wrong, so you get taken advantage of because you expect that LE follows the laws. Cops are not overly concerned with maintaining public respect for the badge, they have pretty much accepted that most people do not respect LE. It is taught in the academy that the general public does not respect or appreciate LE, they say everyone loves a firefighter and hates a cop. They are fully aware that lack of respect is an issue, they know that uniform puts them at risk everywhere they go. Why do you think cops don't have specialty plates or stickers on their vehicles or wear identifying items in public? A lot of cops won't tell someone they don't know that they are a cop, we were told to make up a profession in those situations. Everyone I work with now is prior LE and/or military, a lot of them have had encounters with local LE and there is no longer even a standard professional courtesy for those who have worn a badge and served their time! They come in with their stories about how disrespectful and rude they were treated and some were even written tickets for minor traffic violations, if the cops are treating their own that way what makes you as a civilian expect to be treated any differently.

Please explain under what circumstances on a routine traffic stop that Metro can tow your vehicle. Don't just make a statement that is based on your own opinion, back it up. If you get pulled over for say speeding which is probably the most common violation and you know you are going to jail, most common reason is having a warrant, and you legally park and secure you vehicle and exit the vehicle...how can Metro legally tow it?? You want to know why vehicles get towed on traffic stops where the driver goes to jail? It's because the vehicle is usually parked illegally and gets towed as a 'traffic hazard' for safekeeping. Above is in reference to driving your vehicle in pocession of a firearm not while camping in your trailer and having it, yes there is a different law for that...but the discussion is reference traffic stops to/from Dumont. In reference to having a firearm in your trailer at the dunes... "It is unlawful to carry a loaded rifle, shotgun, or handgun in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated area or an area where firing a firearm is prohibited." It is illegal to fire a firearm at Dumont, but there is an exception... "A person carrying a firearm while at home or at his place of business, including temporary residences and campsites." Open Carry Laws in CA (I can't access the link above) [edit] Open Carry Laws Personal possession (i.e. carry) of a loaded firearm is prohibited in incorporated areas (such as inside city limits) or prohibited areas of unincorporated territory without a license to carry or other exemption provided for by law.[15] A license to carry "loaded and exposed" may be issued by a Police Chief or County Sheriff in a county with population of less than 200,000 persons at the last census.[16] No license or permit is required to openly carry a loaded firearm in unincorporated areas where discharge is not prohibited by local ordinance. (Discharge is prohibited in Dumont) Despite these restrictions, there is no section of the California penal code that specifically prohibits open carry of an unloaded handgun (though possession may be restricted or prohibited in certain areas such as a State Park (CCR Title 14, Div.3, chap. 1, s 4313 (a), in a school zone (PC626.9) or federal properties like a Post Office or National Park (36 C.F.R. 2.4(a)). Carrying a loaded magazine separate from the handgun is also not prohibited under the penal code (Subdivision (g) of California Penal Code 12031 defines what constitutes a loaded weapon). LE is always concerned about someone having a weapon. They have to pull people over for the 'stupid' reasons to get the bigger crimes, they can't pull you over just to check to see if you are carrying a weapon. But like someone mentioned above he always declares pocession of a weapon during a traffic stop, so shouldn't he know the risks he is taking by doing so while not carrying it legally? Obviously the Inyo cops are writing rediculous tickets that won't stand up in court, so would you put it past them to mess with someone for firearms violations? They are already doing illegal searches of peoples vehicles and trailers. Nobody wants to go through any of that hassle, but if the cops want to pull you over they are going to find a reason even if you think you are not doing anything wrong. So, if you happen to fall victim to these cops in Tecopa wouldn't you want to be educated so that you can do something about it, defend yourself and stop this from happening in the future.

Gun laws in CA....Yes, it can not be loaded and has to be in a locked compartment. So, unloaded and stored in the trailer would be legal. A NV CCW is not valid in CA. Loaded Firearms in a Public Place It is unlawful to carry a loaded firearm on one’s person or in a vehicle while in any public place, on any public street, or in any place where it is unlawful to discharge a firearm. (Penal Code § 12031(a)(1).) A firearm is deemed loaded when there is a live cartridge or shell in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to, the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the firearm. A muzzle-loading firearm is deemed loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinder. (Penal Code § 12031(g).) It is unlawful for the driver of any motor vehicle, or the owner of any motor vehicle irrespective of whether the owner is occupying the vehicle, to knowingly permit any person to carry a loaded firearm in the vehicle in violation of Penal Code section 12031, or Fish and Game Code section 2006. (Penal Code § 12034.) Also, see “Other Prohibited Acts,” page 49. In order to determine whether a firearm is loaded, peace officers are authorized to examine any firearm carried by anyone on his or her person or in a vehicle while in any public place, on any public street, or in any prohibited area of an unincorporated territory. Refusal to allow a peace officer to inspect a firearm pursuant to these provisions is, in itself, grounds for arrest. (Penal Code § 12031 Loaded Firearms, individuals may not carry or transport a loaded firearm. The firearm should be unloaded and placed in the trunk of the vehicle, or if the vehicle has no trunk, placed in a fully enclosed secure locked container other than the utility or glove compartment of a motor vehicle (Penal Code §§ 12026.1, 12027.)

They aren't too worried about what?? There is a difference if they say they are pulling you over because your load is too heavy, or because you were speeding, or because your trailer matches the description of one used in a crime. Everyone says every time they get pulled over it is harrassment, well don't do anything wrong and you don't have anything to be concerned about, right? But people need to know what is right and what is wrong that the cops are doing, so they can fight the tickets and make a point back to CHP and Tecopa that they will not allow themselves to be harrassed. But yes CHP and Tecopa are blantly harassing people going through Tecopa because the town of Tecopa does not want us driving through their town, this isn't the first time there has been an issue there. They are writing tickets that should not hold up in court under the hope that us out of towners with all kinds of expensive toys will just write them a nice check and they will make their $$ and maybe in the process they will please the people of Tecopa if more people start using other routes to get to/from the dunes. Some of these people who get tickets just assume that what the cop says must be the law that a cop wouldn't write a ticket for something that isn't illegal, well it isn't true cause they will write the ticket anyway, nothing happens to them if the ticket gets thrown out so why shouldn't they try and make some money off people who don't know any better. So the point is, don't just take the ticket and send a check, research the violation yourself and fight it, go to court, make a complaint to the department, raise hell! That's the only thing that will make the harassment stop, know your rights, know the law and do something about the unfair treatment. I think we all agree it's a bunch of BS and we could complain all day long on the internet about how the LE does their jobs, but that isn't going to change anything.

That is considered a 'civil' matter not a 'criminal' matter, cops do not get involved in repos at all. If you do not roll down the back window they will usually ask you to do it as they get to the rear of the vehicle, so at that time you could advise them that there are 3 ferocious dogs in the back of the vehicle. I had to do this in AZ for the highway patrol when I had Chubby in the back seat, he was really cool about it. Eli.....I just confirmed with a Metro detective... CCW info is available on the SCOPE system which means it is not linked to a license query, the officer has to take your name and enter it into another program to get that info, SCOPE also provides arrest history for NV. SCOPE is a NV specific program, so that means CCW info is not shared with other states....so if pulled over in CA they could not access your CCW info. Gun registration info is not accessible on the computers in the patrol cars they have to make a phone call to check that info still. It is completely possible for an officer to run your plate, get your name and put it into the other programs before they pull you over. It literally takes less than a minute for them to get the info returns if the systems are running properly. I just checked also... Metro is again doing civilian ride alongs, lots of practical knowledge gained by doing a couple of those.

Awesome, thanks for the info . I'm not understanding the ticket part either.... Like with a driving permit you have to have a licensed driver with you, are there restrictions on the towing permit? David, I'm good at written tests, so I'll go take it first then tell you (and Jim ) what the important stuff to know is .

Vehicle stops are the #1 most dangerous thing a cop does. Someone inside a vehicle is an officer safety issue itself. Exiting the vehicle is a concern because it is not the norm and when someone does something that most other people don't do it puts the cop more on edge, but every cop on every car stop is already concerned. More officers die on car stops than any other on duty situation. If you choose to exit your vehicle for whatever your reason may be, do so slowly with your hands in view at all times and do NOT walk towards the patrol car or reach back into the vehicle once you are out. Think about this..someone gets out of the veh following the above procedure and the cop orders them to the front of their patrol car while maintaining cover at their door, with their weapon drawn if they feel the need...is that safer than...someone in the veh, say the windows are dark tinted, it's night and they stopped where there isn't much light, its a truck so it sits higher than the patrol car thus reducing the officers view of movements inside (that was the scene when I got stopped in dec), the officer has to leave all forms of cover and walk towards the veh while the occupants watch the officer, who then arrives at the door without any cover and weapon still in holster... The procedure for if someone exits the vehicle on a car stop is to NOT allow that person to re-enter the vehicle and to call the person to the front of the patrol car. It is more dangerous for the person to be in the vehicle than out of it and standing at the patrol car. But not all departments have the same procedures and not all cops follow the procedures. Once you are at the front of the car you may be patted down for weapons without your consent, but they may not complete a search of your person unless you are being arrested or you give consent. Once you are out of the vehicle they have no reason to enter it and complete a search, unless you are going to jail, plain view, consent, or PC. They won't have PC to search if they stopped you for a traffic violation and not because 'your vehicle matches the description of' unless they think they can get away with it and don't think you know your rights. Text book what to do on a vehicle stop is....immediately signal and pull to the right, stop the vehicle, place in park, roll down the drivers window and rear drivers side window if equipped, turn on the dome light if its night time, place hands on steering wheel till officer arrives....not many people actually do this though and cops are use to people not being predictable or doing what they are supposed to, they train to prepare for those situations. I have buddies in Metro too, but the difference is I also have a P# myself and I know what it is like to be in the patrol car making a traffic stop and not knowing what to expect . It's personal preference, like I stated IF you do decide to exit the vehicle for whatever reasons you have, do so slowly and keep your hands in view, yes it will make the cop uncomfortable. If you have exited the vehicle and have no reason to re-enter the vehicle, which is why I said have your paperwork accessible..the cops have no reason to search your vehicle unless you are being taken to jail or you have something illegal in plain view. It doesn't matter if you declare a weapon or not, if you are not in the vehicle they can not enter it and if they do the only area they can access is the immediate location of the weapon. If you are not in the vehicle then do not declare the weapon, if they ask say no, if they ask consent to search say no. They do not have PC to search a vehicle for a traffic stop, which is why I said they are to tell you the reason for the stop upon initial contact, if they don't then ask. If you are concerned that you will be arrested and you do not want them to access you vehicle.. if you get pulled over, pull into some place and park legally, so when they take you to jail they can't tow (hence enter) your vehicle. I live in Henderson also and I've been stopped by HPD, I have 2 gun permits and I'm listed in their database as prior law enforcement from LVMPD. Each time I was stopped they knew nothing about me (the last time was 2 months ago) until they went back to their vehicle to run their checks and he still never questioned a weapon. If you know the laws and know your rights and the officer knows that you are knowledgable they are going to be less likely to take advantage of you...and that is exactly how they get away with what they do, because people don't know any better and are hesitant to speak up to a cop. You think you aren't being treated fairly request the supervisor, note the officers name and ask for their P#...if they don't give you any info and don't cite you or arrest you, but you don't think you are treated fairly or legally then call IAB...internal affairs and give them the time of stop and location and description, tell them you want to be advised of the outcome and get a ref # and name. You may not think IAB will follow-up on one of their own, but you would be surprised. I've had to make statements on investigations on officers from situations I wouldn't have thought would be investigated. I'll confirm with metro this week if gun registration is linked to vehicle registration or if it has to be searched seperately. I'm pretty sure it is all seperate searches, there is pages of info that comes up from a simple plate query, if they linked everything to a plate search they would be overwhelmed with pages of info. I use to run plate after plate 10-20 at a time and just wait for a 'hit', the dispatcher would get my 'hit' before I would because I was busy scanning through 2-4 pages for each plate I ran and that was just registration info and stolen info. They have different databases for searches, DMV, NCIC, NCJIS and SCOPE, each of those provides specific info and you can't (or you couldn't) run 1 search and get it all back. It doesn't take very long to get the returns when the system is running properly. It's not my theory it's my real life experience. But back on the track a bit...if you are carrying a gun to Cali you should probably check out the laws and know your rights. The reason I stated how to avoid having your vehicle searched was to help out any of those law abiding, good people, fellow duners, who happen to take a gun with them to the dunes. I'm pretty sure NV is not sharing gun registration info with other states, but I'll check on that also.

http://blogs.pe.com/news/digest/2010/02/ri...crash-in-d.html Doesn't say much different... Sorry to hear it was a family friend Nick...thoughts to the family.

True, they do not have to have consent to search, there are too many circumstances to list under which the cops can conduct a search without your consent. They can ask for consent and you can say no and they can still get away with a search. They got away with it in Tecopa by saying the trailer matches the description of a trailer used in a crime, that gives them PC to search without your consent. If they stop you can say you were pulled over for a traffic violation then they don't have PC to search. When they make the stop they are supposed to tell you what you are being stopped for, if they don't then ask right away. During a routine traffic stop...If you have a weapon in the car and you don't want them to search your vehicle simply get out of the vehicle with your paperwork in hand before they get up to you...only caution is getting out of the vehicle is going to put the cop on edge so make sure you are calm and keep your hands visible and wait for the cop to approach you, do not approach their vehicle. They have no reason to enter the vehicle to make the weapon safe if the weapon is not accessible to you. If you stay in the vehicle and declare you have a weapon they can only go into the immediate area in which you state the weapon is located, if it's in the center console they can only go into the center console. The advise you were given couldn't be more correct! You want to get technical...another difference to look into when driving through different cities with a firearm is called the 'method of carry' some cities don't allow carry with a round in the chamber and some do, etc. The actual laws have been difficult to find, but I'm sure the firearms unit from each department could clarify. For current law info, not only is there the Nevada Revised statutes, but also the city and county ordinances and codes to check also . Oh and just fyi when a cop just runs your license plate the only info that comes back is DMV info, not your arrest history, warrants (unless a plate is linked to a warrant, info, stolen etc), firearms registration, etc. Those take more effort on their part and they don't always run those checks on routine traffic stops, they will usually only check dmv reg and warrants...of course all cops are different and all departments are different, but generally speaking. They use to not be able to check for gun registration on the computer, but I know they have changed the firearms registry and database since I worked there and I don't know what they can do now. I was stopped in Henderson just before the new year and he did extra checks on me that they normally don't do and still didn't mention my firearm registration, he did find that I had a 'P' number which is how I knew he ran the extra checks.

Jim got an email from the DMV today ref the J endorcement process, they said you have to take a written test to get a permit first then make an appt for the driving skills test. They said not all DMV locations do the driving test so you have to check which locations have someone qualified and make an appt with them. They didn't say how long you had to have the permit for before you could take the skills test or what kind of restrictions came with the permit or anything like that.

If you are licensed and registered in NV then you are required to have the proper class/endorcements for NV not for CA. Non-commercial class A is for GVWR over 26,000lbs Under 26,000lbs, but over 10,000lbs is J endorcement Under 10,000lbs is a regular class C license

This isn't the same car is it?? this pic is from dunepix.com..friday am album 0212am-83rails, page 9-10

It's probably close to 11,000+lbs... http://www.forestriverinc.com/nd/default22.asp?nav=rec

If it helps any our 05 ww fs3000 is 72" clearance under the rear single bunk.

What is the actual law code for Dumping sewage/gray water?? example...Glass Containers is 43 CFR 8361.1-6, so what is the Code of Federal Regulation, or what ever statute it's violating, for "Draining of sewage tanks, littering, or dumping of trash is prohibited"?? If you get a citation for draining your gray tank what is the crime that is listed and what is the statute #?

Hope your friend plans to fight these tickets!! They write those tickets with the expectation that people are just going to pay them and not show up to court. I'm surprised they were smart enough to use the 'your vehicle matches the description of' excuse to justify the stop and the search :ahhhhh: . A lot of people don't know their rights when it comes to vehicle and personal searches. Automobile Exception The automobile exception says that if police have probable cause to believe that a vehicle contains contraband or evidence of a crime, they can search the vehicle without a warrant. Similarly, if an officer has probable cause to believe that the automobile itself is contraband (i.e. a vehicle used for transporting cocaine), the officer can search and seize the automobile without a warrant. Scope of Search If police have probable cause to search the vehicle, the automobile exception gives them the right to search the "entire vehicle." This includes the trunk and all containers within the vehicle that might contain the object for which they have probable cause to believe exists. If the officer has probable cause to believe that a dead body is in the vehicle, the officer cannot search a tiny container (where a dead body clearly could not be). Notably, the passengers belongings might be searched as well under the automobile exception. Probable Cause is defined as "the facts and circumstances within the arresting officer's knowledge are sufficient to warrant a prudent person to believe that a suspect has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime." The problem is the Officer doesn't have to prove/justify what he claims his knowledge is... Did they weigh the trailer?? Just for general knowledge here is the NV laws.... NRS 484.755 "Any officer of the Nevada Highway Patrol having reason to believe that the weight of a vehicle and load is unlawful may require the driver to stop and submit to a weighing of the vehicle either by means of portable or stationary scales and may require that the vehicle be driven to the nearest public scales, if they are within 5 miles." The fine is based on the amount of excessive weight per NRS 484.757, so how can they access the fine/write the ticket without the actual weight?? http://leg.state.nv.us/nrs/NRS-484.html#NRS484Sec755 From what I can find, the law is the same in CA. Beer cans in a trash bag in the bed of a vehicle can not be considered open containers per NRS 484.448 "it is unlawful for a person to have an open container of an alcoholic beverage within the passenger area of a motor vehicle while the motor vehicle is upon a highway" “Passenger area” means that area of a vehicle which is designed for the seating of the driver or a passenger. http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-484.html#NRS484Sec448 The law is the same in Cali. Cali police citing for NV tint laws , they can't enforce laws outside of their jursidiction and a veh registered in NV is not subject to the non-moving traffic laws in other states. But did they even use a meter to test the tint level? In NV the level is “a total light transmission of not less than 35 percent with a tolerance of 7 percent” and all windows except the windshield can be tinted. The NRS is 484.619 and 484.6195 http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Nrs/NRS-484.html#NRS484Sec619

Thoughts sent to a quick recovery. It has been mentioned a couple times that the belts weren't mounted correctly, could someone explain how they were mounted? Thanks.

http://www.aflac.com/accident_insurance/default.aspx Check out the bottom right hand corner to view the brochures. http://www.aflac.com/individuals/policies.aspx AFLAC accident plan will pay $1500 for air transport and $200 for ground, they pay it to the company. All other benefits per accident/injury are paid directly to you....cash in your pocket if you get hurt . Air transport is usually covered by insurance, but you would have to check the specifics of your plan.