Foxysandchick

http://leg.state.nv.us/75th2009/Reports/history.cfm?ID=1040 Governor Veto... http://gov.state.nv.us/PressReleases/2009/...sage_SB_394.pdf http://www.lvrj.com/news/46614607.html Legislature overrides Veto http://www.responsibletrails.org/mediacove...p.php?view=1047 http://www.thespectrum.com/article/2009062...f+with+OHV+bill "The bill is slated to go into effect, July 1, 2010 if the OHV working group is able to raise $500,000 start up funds, otherwise it will become effective on July 1, 2011."

Fantastic , once you receive them make sure you teach each person who is going to carry it how to use it, that way they are familiar with it when/if the time arises and that will make them more likely to use it and to use it successfully. Simple way is to take a piece of paper and draw a target, put it up in the back yard and have them each spray the target from about 5ft away. Also take a plastic sandwich baggie and spray a small amount inside then have then each take just a brief smell. Then take a small amount on a q tip and spread it on their hand or even on their cheek. So then when/if they have to use it they will at least be familiar with the smell and how potent it is. Look up police and military OC spray training on YouTube, so they can see how affective it is on people. All those things will make it more likely that they will use it in the time of need. Most people who carry self-defensive items are not familiar with them and are not confident in using them or they forget they have them in high stress incidents. Seems your wife and daughter are strong women and willing to defend themselves, I hope they never have to again, but if they do I hope they can do it with no injuries. :worthless_without_pics:

Sorry to hear this happened to your wife and family . I hope they can all heal quickly. Nice to hear that a bystander provided assistance . Might I suggest something for your wife and daughter to carry or have in their vehicles... http://www.drillspot.com/products/481615/s...ze_pepper_spray I used to provide defensive tactics training along with oc/pepper spray training when I left the police department some years ago, I highly recommend it. I actually need to get a new one for myself.

Cool then tell Jim to take his z71 and run it with you

I was actually wondering if anyone has done it in a vehicle/truck in the past year . I wouldn't be concerned doing it on a quad, though I didn't think you could ride an atv there, but from what I have heard it has been washed out pretty bad and is no longer stock vehicle friendly.

Has anyone been on the Rocky Gap out of Red Rock, also know as Potato Ridge, recently? It goes from Red Rock loop to Lovell Canyon. http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/Rocky_Gap_Road not my pics, just a link I found on another site... http://rides.webshots.com/album/564110105iXxoeB?start=0

Can anyone else give a date prior to 1973 that is was known as Dumont? I've found a lot of interesting information on all the areas around Dumont, but not on Dumont itself .

http://www.hcc.commnet.edu/artmuseum/ansel.../sanddunes.html I didn't realize that piece was from 1948! But it is not titled Dumont.... Ansel Adams- Sand Dunes, Sunrise, Death Valley National Monument, California, c. 1948 Did they call it Dumont when you Dad was going in the 70's? Based on the info from RUin2it on where the names come from the search shows it became official in 1984.....?? :P3_FID,P3_TITLE:1667894%2CDumont%20Dunes'>http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?...CDumont%20Dunes Board on Geographic Names Decisions- Feature Name Authority Decision Type BGN Dumont Dunes Board Decision Official 1984

What year did people start using Dumont as an offroad recreation area? Earliest stories I can find are from 1973... Can't find the origin of the name though .

Anyone going to check this out?? Art N Ink Festival at the South Point next weekend. http://xtremeradio.com/pages/4391507.php

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/douchebag Noun douchebag (plural douchebags) (US, slang) A jerk; a mean or rude person. (US, slang) An idiot, a dim-witted person. (US, slang) An individual who has an over-inflated sense of self worth, compounded by a low level of intelligence, behaving ridiculously in front of colleagues with no sense of how moronic he appears.

I know someone who has a z400 for sale...its not too much bike for you to handle There are some awesome deals on Craigslist for quads right now! I picked up my LTR450 CHEAP!! That YFZ for sale on here looks like an awesome deal too.

No...I'm just able to read and understand these types of legal documents from my experience in law enforcement. Figured since it was 16 pages of mumbo jumbo to some people, I'd take the time and present the basics of the bill so that more people would be informed and interested. I think it would be great if this bill passed and our money stayed in NV and we had more riding areas available to us. There doesn't seem to be any real negative impact on us from this bill. Bert, I'd vote for you. Hard to tell how much time would be dedicated to this commitee, maybe call the Governor's office and see if they can tell you or if they can put you in touch with the proper people. I wouldn't think the 5 members representing ATV users would spend a lot of time with the Commission, I'd think just for meetings where the 'general publics' input is required. This is all is says about benefits/pay "Each member of the Commission: (a) Is entitled to receive, if money is available for that purpose from the fees collected pursuant to section 7 of this act, the per diem allowance and travel expenses provided for state officers and employees generally." Yup and the cost for registration here wouldn't be any more than we are paying for non-resident stickers in CA and unless CA changes their rules recognizing all other states registration then we are good to ride there with this new registration. I don't think CA would start changing their rules just because NV has finally decided to establish a registration program. CA already recognizes registration from every state that has registration programs. But UT does not currently recognize NV registration, there law states they recognize states that "offer reciprocal operating privileges to Utah residents under rules made by the board" http://stateparks.utah.gov/stateparks/ohv/reciprocity.html So we would still have to pay their non-resident fee, unless NV makes an agreement with them.

Here is the hearings on this bill http://www.leg.state.nv.us/75th2009/Report...ory.cfm?ID=1040 It has passed to the next phase and is not final yet.

Another point some might find interesting is the creation of the Commission on Off-Highway Vehicles which is going to include 11 members (listed on page 7, sec 9) of which 5 members are going to be... "Five members, appointed by the Governor, who reside in the State of Nevada and have participated in recreational activities for off-highway vehicles for at least 5 years using the type of offhighway vehicle owned or operated by the persons they will represent, as follows: (1) One member who represents persons who own or operate all-terrain vehicles; (2) One member who represents persons who own or operate all-terrain motorcycles; (3) One member who represents persons who own or operate snowmobiles; (4) One member who represents persons who own or operate any off-highway vehicle used for rock crawling; and (5) One member who represents persons who own or operate, and participate in the racing of, off-highway vehicles." And those people will be picked by the Governor "the member has been recommended to the Governor by an off highway vehicle organization. As used in this subsection, “off highway vehicle organization” means a profit or nonprofit corporation, association or organization formed pursuant to the laws of this State and which promotes off-highway vehicle recreation or racing." Wonder if anyone from here is interested? see pages 8-9, sec 9, points 3-7

Well the bill states that a portion of the money would go to "Sixty percent of the money may be used for projects relating to: (I) Studies or planning for trails and facilities for use by owners and operators of off-highway vehicles. Money received pursuant to this sub-subparagraph may be used to prepare environmental assessments and environmental impact studies that are required pursuant to 42 U.S.C. §§ 4321 et seq. (II) The mapping and signing of those trails and facilities. (III) The acquisition of land for those trails and facilities. (IV) The enhancement and maintenance of those trails and facilities. (V) The construction of those trails and facilities. (VI) The restoration of areas that have been damaged by the use of off-highway vehicles. you might want to read it before you answer so YES it does!

If it can be reported stolen then it can be checked to see if it has been reported stolen. If you are concerned then call the PD and tell them you are going to buy it from someone and they don't have the title, so you want to check if it has been reported stolen before you buy it. If they run it and it comes back stolen then they will ask you the location so they can come get it, just hang up or give them a bad address. Even if you have a Bill of Sale and the ATV turns up stolen and the person who reported it stolen is not the person who gave you the bill of sale, you are screwed...not that you will be charged with possession of stolen property, that is possible, but the ATV would be seized. I've been off the department for a few years now, so maybe ask someone who is still there in case things have changed. The part some might be concern with would be this... "If an owner of an off-highway vehicle applies to the Department for: (a) A certificate of title for the off-highway vehicle, he shall submit proof prescribed by the Department that he is the owner of the off-highway vehicle. (b ) The registration of the off-highway vehicle, he shall submit: (1) If he obtained ownership of the off-highway vehicle before January 1, 2010, proof prescribed by the Department: (I) That he is the owner of the off-highway vehicle; and (II) Of the vehicle identification number of the off highway vehicle ; or (2) If he obtained ownership of the off-highway vehicle on or after January 1, 2010: (I) Evidence satisfactory to the Department that the owner has paid all taxes applicable in this State relating to the purchase of the off-highway vehicle or submit an affidavit indicating that he purchased the vehicle through a private party sale and no tax is due relating to the purchase of the off-highway vehicle; and (II) Proof prescribed by the Department that he is the owner of the off-highway vehicle and of the vehicle identification number of the off-highway vehicle. .....It doesn't state what the Department has prescribed as sufficient proof of ownership

I have NV registration on my LTZ400 through the dealer. It was a 1 time fee and does not expire. It was $20 at the dealer, but it was included in the purchase of the ATV in which NV sales tax was paid, meaning that someone who bought an ATV from a private person could not go to the dealer and get a registration sticker. Being that it is not affiliated with the DMV it is more like the non-resident stickers we get for California. It does not go into the DMV system to be checked by law enforcement. All my NV registration does is allow me to ride in other states that recognize registration from NV, meaning I don't buy a non-resident sticker every year. They called it registration, but it really isn't anything more than a permit. So if this passed we would no longer have to buy non-resident stickers in CA. And to clarify some of the bill.... Taken from the bill "this bill requires a person who acquires ownership of an off-highway vehicle on or after January 1, 2010, to apply to the Department of Motor Vehicles for the titling and annual registration of the vehicle within 30 days after acquiring ownership of the vehicle. A person who acquired ownership of an off-highway vehicle before January 1, 2010, may apply to the Department for the titling of the vehicle, but is required to apply to the Department for annual registration of the vehicle on or before December 31, 2010." Looks to me that the DMV would be responsible for titles and registration not the dealer. (section 15).It states the dealer may receive and submit applications, it does not say the dealer would 'issue' titles/registration, that part was removed from the bill. It looks like you could do the paperwork to get your title/registration and annual renewal at the DMV or at an authorized ATV dealer who participates in the program, then that dealer sends your info to DMV who then issues you the paperwork. The dealer would be allowed to charge no more than a $2 fee per application. "Upon the request of a dealer of off-highway vehicles, the Department may authorize the dealer to receive and submit to the Department applications for the: (a) Issuance of certificates of [operation] title and registration for off-highway vehicles and (B) Renewal of registration for off-highway vehicles. An authorized dealer shall on or before the end of each month, submit to the Department each application described in subsection 1 received during that month." This bill would also include non-resident temporary registration to ride in NV unless they have registration in another state that meets certain restrictions (*). Not that is really applies, cause how many non-residents on here actually come to NV to ride? Taken from the bill "Except as otherwise provided in subsection 7, an owner of an off-highway vehicle who is a resident of a state other than Nevada shall obtain from the Department or an authorized dealer a temporary permit before he may operate the off-highway vehicle in this State pursuant to NRS 490.090 to 490.130, inclusive. The Department shall offer two options for temporary permits as follows: (a) A temporary permit that expires 7 days after purchase for the cost of $10; and (B) A temporary permit that expires 90 days after purchase for the cost of $25. *Restrictions- The provisions of subsection 6(above) do not apply to an owner of an off-highway vehicle who has registered the off-highway vehicle in a state that: (a) Has requirements for the registration of off-highway vehicles that are substantially similar to or more stringent than the requirements of this section, as determined by the Commission; and Does not impose any fees or restrictions on an owner of an off-highway vehicle who is not a resident of that state." Since CA does impose fees to non-residents who are not registered in their own state, it reads that you would have to buy a temporary permit to ride in NV. That news story also has the fee amounts listed as, registration for $20-$30 annually when the bill states "The Commission shall determine the fee for the annual registration of an off-highway vehicle, but such fee must not exceed $20." Renewal fee is also stated as "not more than $20" And fees for titles are based off NRS 482.429, which states "For each certificate of title issued for a vehicle present or registered in this State $20.00 For each duplicate certificate of title issued $20.00 For each certificate of title issued for a vehicle not present in or registered in this State $35.00 For the processing of each dealer’s or rebuilder’s report of sale submitted to the Department $8.25 For the processing of each long-term lessor’s report of lease submitted to the Department $8.25 For the processing of each endorsed certificate of title or statement submitted to the Department upon the sale of a used or rebuilt vehicle in this State by a person who is not a dealer or rebuilder $8.25" Maybe they are including the title with the processing fee of the dealers report of sale for a total of $28.25. The fine for not having registration would be $50. (see section 11) An additional fee of not more than $25 for not registering before Dec 31, 2010 could be added to the registration fee.

I'll go read your other threads and see what it is you are trying to do and what the issues are. While I'm not against being able to drive OHV's or low speed vehs on the streets, I'm not entirely for it either. But good luck with your efforts.

It means that regardless of if Bert and Jim are getting along at the moment or not it has nothing to do with my friendship with Bert or my friendship with Ashley. Didn't think it was that complicated to understand . If you need further explanation feel free to PM me . The situation between Bert and Jim is between the two of them and has nothing to with anyone else, it is not anyone elses business unless they care to make it someone else business. If you care to discuss it further please do so in a PM to either of the people involved.

I haven't looked into your topics much, but does this relate to what you are trying to do? http://www.dumontduneriders.com/invision/i...c=11699&hl=

http://www.ndow.org/learn/com/mtg/040609_support/sb_394.pdf Here is the bill.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/45462942.html CARSON CITY -- A state Assembly panel voted Tuesday for a bill requiring owners of off-road vehicles to register with the state Department of Motor Vehicles. Senate Bill 394, endorsed by the Assembly Transportation Committee, would mandate that vehicles, such as all-terrain vehicles, snowmobiles, dune buggies and all-terrain motorcycles, be registered at an annual cost of $20 to $30. A titling fee would run about $28. Nearly $7 million could be generated over the next two years from the registration, titling and other fees for about 227,000 off-highway vehicles in Nevada, DMV figures show. The bill, proposed by Sen. Dean Rhoads, R-Tuscarora, would designate responsibility for title and registration processing to off-road vehicle dealers. Rhoads said the plan wouldn't take effect until it can be adequately funded. He added that efforts are under way to find grants.

Nice those water proof cameras are bada$$. Pretty awesome how much those pups like to :swim: , mine won't go near the water. Just over a month for baby Ava Marie...are you ready for another girl, Cole?? There should be a new baby gathering at Dumont next season .

Hey Tim.....Of course! Bert and Jim's relationship doesn't have anything to do with my relationship with Bert and/or Ashley.